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Originally Posted by DougL
What do you consider for SB's 3! range of a UTG PFR?
What range would you give a BB for cold-capping?
You certainly can't make a large mistake folding an offsuit hand here. I think paired or suited I'd agree that you must call. OTOH, this is either the worst or 2nd worst hand in your range; folding the weakest hand you play is good. The fold is quite standard; if you're a LAG and going to try to jam your way to victory, that's fine, but hardly standard play.
Obviously without reads it's pretty pointless, but if we assumed these are just ABC (for 5/T online) TAGs then i'd imagine they'd have fairly wide ranges. BB's range usually ends up wider here just because they'll often wtf cap a ton of hands they're going to play anyways and since they have a BB in there it's not going to be as snug as usual...
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.272% 35.48% 02.79% 3355374 264186.50 { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 41.851% 38.18% 03.67% 3611112 347091.50 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 19.877% 16.75% 03.13% 1584292 295665.33 { KQo }
If we snug up BB's capping range to JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ then we still have over 17.5% equity (if we leave SB's range that is). SB's range is very in line with what I'd expect most people to 3bet here... interestingly if you leave the tighter BB range KJo has 1.5% more equity than KQo, and KTo has .5% more equity than KJo..
QJo also has enough equity to call if I do open it UTG (as I do on some tables and would be the bottom of my offsuit range)... and obviously suited hands and pairs are snap calls. ATo is also the other end of my opening range and will have enough equity to call here as well getting 5:1. I used to open A9o utg in most games... but that wasn't really doing anything for me. So ya, my default in this spot is to call if I have a hand that can flop a straight. I'd be tempted to fold A9o in the HJ here if I opened and the same action happened, but I probably wouldn't.
So being in position here, I'd need a read that the SB AND the BB were both very tight... if the SB's 3betting range were a fair bit tighter and the BB was capping tight then you could find a fold. I also wouldn't hate a fold if it went like HJ 3bet/CO cap just because that range is going to be similarly tight... although we do get 1.5 more SBs in there PF to compensate for our positional disadvantage. I'm not really sure how to quantify positional advantage/disadvantages.
So ya I don't think it'd be a huge mistake to fold this, I think you should fold A9o if you open it, and if the blinds are tight (i.e. this is a live game so ranges are super snug) then KQo is a fine candidate for a fold.
FWIW I fold a fair bit OTB when I get 3bet/capped... all my crappiest opening hands... my UTG range is just so strong that I wouldn't be mucking any of it to a cap in most situations. Obviously if someone other than a huge nit coldcalls that makes any of these hands an even easier call.
edit: I didn't mention anything about playability, but I think KQo is really easy to play postflop and we can get a lot of money in good on a number of boards... which is part of the advantage of being in position.