Be wary of thinking you're more clever at poker than you really are. You've already admitted that you don't think you have an equity edge preflop, which means you think you're playing from behind on average with JTo. You clearly don't have bluffing equity against better hands (since 77 made it to showdown in a 3-bet preflop pot with a two-broadway board), which means "initiative" is overvalued.

Given the results, I dislike the preflop raise even more against these players. Worrying about letting the big blind see the flop for free isn't worth putting in two bets preflop with often the worst hand and little chance to buy the pot.

Edit: See a cheap flop and just focus on value betting.

I'm very realistic about my skill level which is why I ask questions and moved down a level when I had a continued run of bad results. I still think this is a fine play and will continue to raise this specific guy every chance I get. Thanks for the effort however.

It's your money. Do what you want. Ignore the third player in the pot (tight UTG limper) at your own peril.

I agree 100 percent with set of jacks on raising pre flop long term on button w/ marginal holdings against these opponents your printing money in position with a hand like J 10 off and anyone who disagrees doesn't know the players like you and I do. It sucks I got you off the winner but if the hands were reversed I would of played it exactly the same way. Don't be results oriented in that scenario you played it right just ran into bottom of my range and someone else could have q 10 or utg could have ace 10 as well. Don't lose sleep over it. And I'm not that tight all the time . I mix it up lol

I didn't mean it as bad as it seems. You're clearly in a different class of player than 95% of the pool at 8/16. Cheers!

Oh it was JANITOR385?

Definitely raise JTo then, as you can fold out QT, KT, QJ, KJ, and AT.

I’d raise preflop without a second thought. At worst it’s borderline and will make you look crazy, and best you you get to play better cards, against players doing terrible things, in position. Our raise may be close, a lot of their limp calls will be horrendous.

I never fold the turn. Lots of people can nut up and barrel two streets multiway if no fights back, lots of people will give up on the river. You’re always going to have prove to me you can at fire all streets from the sb here before I consider a fold

Donkeyontilt I don't get offended when people say I play way too tight I've heard it 100 times and u prolly play 2 tight but how loose they are at 8/16 it makes sense to play as tight as u are. I respect ur game and sure u will crush the 8/16 game and u will move back to 20 when ur ready. Most players are not capable of moving down when they hit a bad downswing so good work. Ill b playing nl tourneys now I've been crushing online. There my hero folds make sense and way easier to overcome variance. Gl at felt and cya sometime next year