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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
Flop 487tt not my suit, pot 7BB, 7 players.
2 checks, a villain who I've seen call down with top pair bets, fold, call, fold.
Surely this is a raise on the button, no? I'm probably beaten but I would love to see a cheap showdown if possible.
Yes, definitely a raise. It's waaaay too early to be thinking you're "probably beat" when it's the flop and you have an overpair facing just a single bet.
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I was thinking about this because a couple threads down I raised QTo on a Q-high flop in almost exactly this circumstance, so why in the world am I hesitating to do it with QQ?
It could have been a little bit of tilt because of the previous situation you were in. Those things mess with your head sometimes.
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Now at this point, there are 10.5BB in the pot, so I'm getting 21 to 1 on a call. Do I remedy my earlier mistake and 3-bet here? Remember, I saw villain just call 3 streets with a made flush, and now he's checkraising with 3 other people in the hand. As played I just called.
You're not actually "remedying" your previous play. You've already gone down a totally different path, and that's a decision you won't get back. Think of it like hiking. If you took a wrong turn at the previous fork, it's probably not smart to make the decision you should have made at the last fork when you reach the next one.
There's no immediate reason to assume that because of that one hand that he can only check-raise the nuts. You're assuming that villain plays all his hands in a nice orderly manner. Some players like to pump non-nut draws but freeze up when they hit. (For all you know, he's check-raising TPTK because he needs to "protect his hand" -- despite the fact that check-raising in that spot doesn't do that at all...)
I don't know if I would raise or not. Given the action, I think I would end up waiting until the turn to put in more bets. Since we're in position, we can definitely guarantee a bet if everyone decides to slow down on the turn. And we can also opt to not put in the extra bets if a bad card falls and the action gets a little crazy.
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Turn was a 3 of the 3rd suit. 11BB in the pot. SB bets, better calls, fold. I'm getting 13 to 1 on a call. Pot's too big to fold, I gotta call closing the action.
I'd raise this card. Even if you're only in front of SB 40% of the time, you can still make money with a raise here.
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River's a 6 of the 4th suit. Bet and call. Is there any chance whatsoever that my QQ is good here? As played I called, pot was too big.
Yes.