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Originally Posted by ecooke
this is not wrong. the overlay you're getting in large limped pots helps buffer against small mistakes you'll make in large pots oop with marginal holdings.
the larger point is that the overlay doesn't matter if the mistakes made post are big and turn marginal pf completes into huge -EV situations. how you play junk from the sb after completing is not the differentiating skill between good and great players. It's an opportunity to turn a hand that should have an expected value to you of ~0 and make it slightly positive.
I STRONGLY agree that how you play this post flop is vastly more important than whether you choose to complete the small blind or not.
I think this thread kind of went off into a discussion of when it's proper to complete and when you should just fold, which is of much less value to the OP than discussion of how the other streets were played. (And yes, I had a role in that, so I'm also criticizing myself.
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So perhaps the biggest takeaway-although you have the odds to see the flop, you have to be very careful playing mediocre holdings out of position. It's easy to get carried away...you need solid value to continue in the hand, and with so many players in the pot you really need a monster to justify playing very aggressively.
If you really feel uncomfortable playing this oop, then folding pre is maybe the best course (a small error that may keep you from making a larger one), but in that case your time would be well spent in studying how to play in these situations.
Anyone can play well went they flop a monster. The ability to play well in very marginal situations is the biggest thing that separates ok players from excellent players. It's not easy and it's not cut and dried. That's where the discussions in this forum are the most helpful...and not for specific plays. You'll see good players disagree with each other-the value is in studying the various ways they approach the problem. Evaluating everyone else's thought processes forces YOU to think more deeply about the game, and the more you study and think critically away from the table, the better decisions you will make in the heat of the moment.
Best wishes to OP on the continual path of improvement!