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10-21-2017 , 12:52 PM

sparks_mandrill

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I've been doing well playing 3/6 limit at a local card room in the bay area and want to take shots at the 4/8 at Bellagio this weekend. Should I expect a significant increase in skill or will it be a negligible difference most likely? Perhaps the trip will be too brief anyhow to draw a reasonable conclusion?

My 3/6 game consists of all the silly low limit Holdem stuff you read about in the books: other players cold calling raises; players going too far with crap hands; loose hands, etc.

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10-21-2017 , 02:13 PM

Captain R

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Bellagio tends to play a little tighter than the Bay Area, but I'm sure you'll be fine. Just play your regular game. Have fun.

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10-21-2017 , 02:37 PM

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Cool, should be fun and good practice for me then. Thanks Cap'n

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10-21-2017 , 05:35 PM

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Just go for it. There's very little downside for such a small difference in stakes.

If the game is roughly the same, then you'll have the fun of playing in Vegas.

If the game is softer, you'll be playing softer games at bigger stakes, which is +EV.

If the game is tougher, you'll have the experience of playing a tougher game for only a minor increase in cost, which is perhaps the best learning opportunity possible.

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10-21-2017 , 06:06 PM

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Yeah, in particular, your last point is what stands out to me most now. Would be nice to face a good bit of challenge.

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10-21-2017 , 08:33 PM

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Bay 101 has 4/8 now, I hear.

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10-24-2017 , 11:38 PM

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If you're in town with a car, Orleans has a better 4/8 game and better rake than Bellagio.

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10-25-2017 , 07:26 AM

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Good to know. Haven't been over there before.

The game at Bellagio has a half kill which I'm also not used to. A half kill only matters when someone when's consecutive pots, right?

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10-25-2017 , 01:08 PM

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If you're in town with a car, Orleans has a better 4/8 game and better rake than Bellagio.

I just checked bravo. That place is getting a ton of action

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10-25-2017 , 01:23 PM

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I just checked bravo. That place is getting a ton of action

To be clear, Bravo is telling you they're getting a lot of players.

Whether they're getting a lot of action is debatable.

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10-25-2017 , 01:29 PM

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To be clear, Bravo is telling you they're getting a lot of players.

Whether they're getting a lot of action is debatable.

Lol, I thought that the term could be used either way, but I had my doubts when using it.

As far as Orleans goes, do you know from personal experience? Nothing wrong with a table of loose-passives is there?

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10-25-2017 , 04:33 PM

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I've never played at the Orleans but I just wanted to be a smart ass.

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10-25-2017 , 04:55 PM

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Orleans 4/8 games generally have more action than the ones at Bellagio. Games at both places are played with a half-kill. When someone wins two pots in a row (after the flop), they post an extra $6 blind.

They also always have several games going, while Bellagio usually only has one, and sometimes none. But the room is so busy right now because the BBJ is high and when high they make it easier to hit.

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10-25-2017 , 04:56 PM

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Makes sense.

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10-25-2017 , 04:58 PM

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What is it about the Orleans that draws attention? Better jackpots in general to attract the non-strip crowd?

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10-25-2017 , 05:02 PM

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What is it about the Orleans that draws attention? Better jackpots in general to attract the non-strip crowd?

A lot of people do like the jackpots and other promotions. Personally I don't care for them and would prefer to have a lower rake, but certainly $3 rake + $2 promotion is better than the $5 straight rake that Bellagio and most other places have now.

Other benefit of Orleans is that for locals it is much easier to get in and out of than all strip rooms. Even though it is only a mile or so away, you don't have to deal with the traffic on the strip, and you can park very close to the poker room.

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10-25-2017 , 05:17 PM

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Chill's beat me to it but I'll second The Orleans unless you want the Bellagio experience meaning mostly well dressed people in a fancier room. For myself I prefer the sleazier and much more fun Orleans. Plus the action's great and the players terrible.

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10-25-2017 , 05:23 PM

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Thanks gents. All that makes sense.

I'm from CA so I just go for the Vegas experience. Going with a lady friend as well. I started at the flamingo months back and since I'm still a new player, it's a fun home base, but I hadn't done many Vegas trips in general, so the lady and I like to stay at different hotels. Yep, we're doing the obvious tourist thing.

It sounds like I'll have to hit the Orleans though at some point.

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10-26-2017 , 03:00 PM

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That jackpot at Orleans is insane and Bellagio doesn't seem to run the 4/8 much at all, at least not during the week. Is Orleans pulling the strip crowd away you think, or is limit just low limit really that uncommon on the strip? 3/6 at Mirage seems to get going later in the mornings... Maybe it's because it's the weekday, and weekend will pick up more so?

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10-26-2017 , 03:05 PM

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Maybe Orleans is pulling some of the strip crowd away, but the 4/8 has been growing weaker in the last year anyway. Personally I used to play in it if a seat was open while I was waiting for a bigger game, but I won't even play while waiting since they increased the rake to $5.

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10-26-2017 , 03:17 PM

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Any theory as to why? Limit slowly dying and people might as well play 8/16 I guess?

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10-26-2017 , 03:23 PM

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Limit is dying unfortunately, and pushed along by the higher rake at lower limits. I wish people were playing 8/16 instead, but that game is extremely rare in Vegas; it's only been going this week at Orleans because of the jackpot as well. Bellagio spreads 9/18, but it has been getting weaker as well. They switched last year from 10/20 in hopes of reviving it, but it hasn't really happened.

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10-26-2017 , 03:42 PM

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Does the 4/8 at Bellagio usually get any interest? And by "any interest", I mean at least one table going throughout the day.

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10-26-2017 , 03:51 PM

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Does the 4/8 at Bellagio usually get any interest? And by "any interest", I mean at least one table going throughout the day.

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I think there is usually one game going during some part of most days, but possibly just at night many of them. Check bravo during the times you'd be wanting to play.

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