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What I don't like about kill pots is that if you run bad in them, you will probably be buried for the day with no chance to get it back except another kill.

07-28-2019 , 09:01 AM

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stinkypete

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

What I don't like about kill pots is that if you run bad in them, you will probably be buried for the day with no chance to get it back except another kill.

That's one of the things I really really like about kill pots.

Why any winning player would dislike something that makes people play bad and then tilt on top of that is beyond me.

07-28-2019 , 09:02 AM

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stinkypete

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Not only that, the tilters are effectively playing higher stakes and posting more blind money than you. It's fantastic. Every game should have a kill.

07-28-2019 , 09:50 AM

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Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

What I don't like about kill pots is that if you run bad in them, you will probably be buried for the day with no chance to get it back except another kill.

Just wait for the day you run real good in a kill game. You'll change your mind about this (or at least you ought to).

07-28-2019 , 11:36 AM

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DeathDonkey

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Originally Posted by stinkypete

That's one of the things I really really like about kill pots.

Why any winning player would dislike something that makes people play bad and then tilt on top of that is beyond me.

Agree of course, but I would say that a half kill is likely better than a full kill for generating action and not making players quit and not come back. I’ve played in a game where the kill was to pot limit and I think it’s quite bad for the game.

07-28-2019 , 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

I've never actually played full kill but my intuition is that I agree. Pot limit kills sound like an action killer without very special players.

07-28-2019 , 12:11 PM

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reaper6788

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Who would think forcing limit fish to play pot limit for the kill pot would be good for the game? They are there because they like to play limit.

And to a previous comment about running hot in kill, the only time I've ever had to color up was in a kill game and I did it because I was having trouble reaching my cards. It was an amazing night.

07-28-2019 , 02:50 PM

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checkraisdraw

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I mean how many times can I get aces kings and queens in a kill pot and lose before I am allowed to think that I don’t like them.

I think kill games are fine, but I like playing in games without the kill. Trust me that there is more than enough dead money in the games that I play. I will acknowledge that the best 20/40 game in LA is at the Bike and it plays with a half kill that people play BAD when it’s on.

07-30-2019 , 11:16 AM

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DougL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

I mean how many times can I get aces kings and queens in a kill pot and lose before I am allowed to think that I don’t like them.

Mindless hands which were big money favorites didn't pay off in a small sample? Game is rigged. Time to quit?

Come to Colorado and pay $200 to see a flop any time the kill is on. Win $3000 or lose $3000, people are nice to the dealers. Mountains look nice. Hike a 14er while you're here.

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Not only that, the tilters are effectively playing higher stakes and posting more blind money than you. It's fantastic. Every game should have a kill.

This.

And the fact that trying to play semi-well nits also over-adjust.

07-30-2019 , 05:24 PM

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Howard Beale

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8 months to go. 8 months. And damn you, pope, for mentioning that Laughlin is only 3+ hours away. Damn you.

07-30-2019 , 10:23 PM

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@DougL these games are definitely +ev but they also increase the seings. Maybe that’s not something that I necessarily want to do.

07-31-2019 , 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

@DougL these games are definitely +ev but they also increase the seings. Maybe that’s not something that I necessarily want to do.

If the game makes you miserable, it is bad for you right now. Other people might see the high variance as an opportunity because a) they feel like they don't tilt and b) they feel like other people are one or two beats away from going off.

07-31-2019 , 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

@DougL these games are definitely +ev but they also increase the seings. Maybe that’s not something that I necessarily want to do.

my guess is you dont play enough hands

oddly enough i think playing more hands well in these types of games decrease the swings, not vice versa, because you push more edges. playing more hands also tends to ward off tilt imo as it keeps you mentally "in" the game and less prone to thinking you "deserve" to win for playing only premiums.

in a loose game unless i have a good reason not to (like having complete trash like 73 offsuit or a mediocre hand in early position e.g. KTo utg) i like playing lots of hands (probably 25% vpip at least), and i usually like raising preflop with them.

08-01-2019 , 02:30 AM

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Captain R

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They know how to play Texas Hold'em in Houston. 3 Aces is a very good hand!

08-01-2019 , 01:43 PM

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They know how to play Texas Hold'em in Houston. 3 Aces is a very good hand!

I feel like we need more backstory here.

08-01-2019 , 02:20 PM

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DougL

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Also, how much did he win?

08-01-2019 , 08:56 PM

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Captain R

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Originally Posted by holmfries

I feel like we need more backstory here.

Zack Greinke traded to the Houston Astros. Already got Justin Verlander and Gerritt Cole.

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Originally Posted by DougL

Also, how much did he win?

Probably a World Series ring.

08-03-2019 , 02:15 PM

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“He always has ace-king...” Seems I’ve a bit of a marketing department at my local. These types of things are said after the fact so as not to be violations of OPTAH, but I do feel like there is a group of people who are trying to hurt my action. Thoughts on how to combat this? Simply look for good spots to mix it up with “not ace-king”? Just stay the course?

08-03-2019 , 02:47 PM

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reaper6788

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Originally Posted by offTopic

If it hurts your action by people getting too foldy then def mix it up a bit as you'll have more fold equity. But I'd wait for clearer reads that people are changing their play with you before just tilting towards lag.

08-03-2019 , 04:10 PM

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maka2184

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DougL

Mindless hands which were big money favorites didn't pay off in a small sample? Game is rigged. Time to quit?

Come to Colorado and pay $200 to see a flop any time the kill is on. Win $3000 or lose $3000, people are nice to the dealers. Mountains look nice. Hike a 14er while you're here.
This.

And the fact that trying to play semi-well nits also over-adjust.

DougL, would you say Colprado LHE games are best live games in USA in a casino that's not mix?

Colorado is probably my favorite state in USA for hiking, food, and great people. Hopefully can travel there in future to play LHE although 50/100 kill games seems too high for me even if half kill.

08-03-2019 , 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by offTopic

Iirc, you're playing a high rake game. So, likely no. Without knowing your of standards, however, it's hard to make suggestions. Mostly, it means you're doing a lot right. Continue to value bet them relentlessly and kill them with kindness.