Wild Horse Pass allows a button straddle much to my annoyance being in the BB the only time someone did it.

I wouldn't like that either, if they started with the blinds. Even places that have a button straddle should start with the UTG player preflop, then skip over the button to give him last action.

Wild Horse Pass had one of the craziest low limit games I've ever played in.

I forget that not everywhere plays limit the same way Minnesota plays limit.

Does everyone have this same opinion?

I'm trying to suggest new things to local 3/6-only room. They are open to ideas.. I'm thinking "October is Button Straddle Month"

Then you don't want to play NL in Vegas. Button straddles happen a lot, and in many rooms, the small blind is first to act.

WRT holmfries issue, in fast betting games, you need to keep your head on a swivel, especially in some seats. I was at Bay 101, where LHE people bet like lightning. I was in the 4 seat, 2nd to act. I saw the flop, looked over at seat 3 to watch his action, and literally 3 seconds later, dealer burns and turns. Everyone had checked behind me already. I complained at the dealer a little but I knew it was way too late for anything to be done. It cost me money too, because the flop and turn had hit me hard, and everyone folded to my turn bet.

This, only button-ante game. No blinds, just a $4 button ante.

Folds to me in MP and I open light, something like QTo.

Folds to SB who might be a bigger nit than me, certainly on par. He 3! I already hate it, but WTF limit so I prepare to call and fold most flops, except unknown BB now 4! and I'm definitely done. SB calls.

AKK - check, check
brick - check, check
brick - check, BB cuts out 3 chips, cuts out another 3 chips, looks at the ceiling, exhales, and slides the two stacks of 3 chips in lol.

lol the sigh

Nothing too crazy, as it's not too hard to make big hands in 2-7 but this whole talk about the nuts and 7th nuts and maniacs has jinxed me.

I was dealt 86532 the 7th nuts on the button. The big blind raises so he has a 1 cd draw 90% of the time. I re-raise, he 5!, I 6! and he draws 1-1-1 and tries x/r wheel.

I meekly x/b river. Could only be correct if I had a read, but I didn't. I had a Feeling. So his stack is now bigger, while mine has been auto topped. I did save 2 river bets. I wasn't 80/20 or whatever constitutes a bad beat. I'm just saying I was jinxed by all the posts talking about maniacs and going lots of bets and the pros and cons and that's what I think happened is all. I still hope you all have a nice weekend

"I don't believe in coincidences." - Leroy Jethro Gibbs.

Reminds me of the time I tried to convince my friend that an eclipse is just a cosmic coincidence of things flying around space. It didn't go well.

If the multiverse theory is correct, wouldn't it follow that there would be a spectrum of universes within this range:

(more coincidences----------------------less coincidences)

Could it be that we live in one of the more coincidental universes?

I think macaubound proved that this is a yes.

The ratio of the sun's diameter to distance and the moon's diameter to distance is extraordinarily coincidental - we are one of the few planets that get both solar and lunar eclipses.

Well this was an interesting one.

40 mix (which I don’t play). 2-7 triple draw.

Player A bets river, player B calls.

Player A rolls over his hand, which dealer announces as a 76 low.

Player B mucks.

Player not in the hand tells dealer that he needs to spread player A’s hand, which turns out to be a straight.

Hijinx ensue.

Ugh.

At the high stakes games around here, the dealers don't announce the hands at showdown, exactly for this reason.

Wow. Would love to hear what a mix game player thinks about that. Used to O/8 hands getting miscalled, and having people at the table fix those. If you showed the 7 high str8, was that an angle? What worse hand calls a river bet, do you as an honest person just ship to the other guy?

In many cardrooms, if a *player* overstates their hand and the opponent mucks, the pot is awarded to the other player.

I think the same principle ought to apply here, but I expect the rules are vague.

Cross post this in that stupid brick and mortar thread. Dealers should not read hands until at least 2 are tabled.

Smart people still argue standard hands? Poker will never die!

Oh-> hai

There is this one terrible dealer at Bay 101, 3 of us in the hand still at showdown. A guy shows, dealer pronounces straight, and the guy next to me mucks. I ask "How is there a straight?", everyone looks at the hand again, turns out the guy has 6 high. I show my super weak ace, the guy next to me drops his head. I asked if his ace beat mine, and he nods, but he knows it's too late to do anything.

I win the pot, crappy dealer gets no tip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoE6SeSm268

good morning

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I once declared a "King high flush" when I did not have a King high flush. However, my top two pair scooped.

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**** cancer.

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that's all. have a nice Sunday.

The standard in high stakes mix games is miscalling your hand in 2-7 is a large angle and the other guy should get the pot. It’s considered an angle to even spread your hand in 2-7 if it contains a pair or a straight. From across the table it can be tough to see and when someone spreads their hand confidently you expect them to have what they are representing I suppose.

In wsop events this is something to watch out for as the rule there is live hand would get the pot (though they may selectively penalize a miscaller, im not sure) and there are less experienced and possibly less scrupulous players.

If you play live mix and allow these sort of angle shots from regs or even from big fish it will cause huge problems sooner or later

The dealer miscalled the hand, not the player. I’m unclear what the difference between tabling and spreading is, but Player A just turned his hand over when he got called. Are you saying he should fold without showing? That would be the only alternative to tabling his hand afaik.

I don’t think Player A did anything wrong that I can see. The question is whether or not he should give or split the pot with player B IMO.

I'd say it's still angly to table his hand without announcing it properly or saying "you got me". Obviously he wasn't called by worse. The only reason for showing it seems to be that he's hoping it's misread by the opponent or the dealer.

Just going to trust the mix games expert. Additionally, what he says makes a lot of sense.

+1

Interesting. There was a hand I played sometime this year where I barreled off with T9 high in LHE and got called on the river so I snap rolled my hand and my opponent took a few looks at it and eventually mucked... while the dealer sat there saying nothing.

I accepted the pot and stacked it.

I’ve always figured if your opponent can’t read the tabled hand or doesn’t ask the dealer what it is and winds up folding the best hand then that’s on them, not on me. FWIW I’ve seen the player in this hand make insane, how drunk are you, river calls. Like... he’s capable of actually having 9 high here. So it’s possible I was good, but I don’t really think it’s on me to clarify anything.

Here’s an interesting one in PLO from weeks back:

Two players get it all in on the flop and agree to run it twice. The all in player announces “set” but never tables his hand. The two boards are completed and villain completes a hand on the bottom board but ends up with a pair of 5s on the top one. However, a player not in the hand - but the poker room manager - announces “straight” for the top board and whatever else the guy made on the bottom and the all in player (a dealer employed there) just snap-mucks his hand. And then the “he doesn’t have a straight” talk starts.

Unfortunately for the all in player, the player that gets the pot is very happy to keep it all and it’s hard to feel too bad for him because a) maybe you should read the hands yourself before folding and b) he never tabled his hand.

I talked about this spot with the manager and I thought the fairest thing was for him to offer to pay his dealer half of what he (probably) should have gotten back.