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Originally Posted by holmfries
Sitting in a nondescript 8/16 kill game waiting for 20 or 40. 8 way limped pot where I am in MP2. Flop comes out and dealer is carrying on a conversation with the one seat. This is another regular, otherwise good dealer. SB, BB check, UTG does not check (apparently), MP checks, I check, CO checks, button bets, UTG now decides he wants to bets and does, MP folds, I say “whoa, whoa” or something like that.
One thing that isn't indicated here is kind of the "flow" of the hand. I think it's entirely possible that UTG was thinking and didn't notice the action was moving around the table without him, especially if the checking is happening kind of fast. A lot can happen in 3 seconds. It's also possible that button bet, then UTG bet (not realizing what happened) and MP folded thinking that UTG called and it was back around to his action.
So there seems to be a reasonable collision of mistakes causing this to play out.
I'm somewhat surprised that the immediate consensus was that button's bet stood and that action should proceed from there. If UTG never actually checked, and he acted in a reasonable amount of time (again, time not specified in the description of the hand), then the decision might also wind back to UTG's bet, but that button's money is committed to the pot (can't fold) as if he called out of turn.
You should not try be the rule-enforcer. That's not your job, and you don't want that job. It does you no good to be "that guy."
It's entirely possible (I would say highly probable) in this case that button would have "pulled back" his bet to allow things to play forward after UTG's bet and would have just called. And then life goes on.
In your situation, I would have just folded my hand and let play continue based on what the table felt was fine. It looks to me like it was just a mistake. And I wouldn't have said anything more unless button decided to fold. I might have made a comment, "You were going to bet, but now you're going to fold?" or I might have just let it slide that time. But in both cases, I make a mental note.
The second time something like that happens is when I'll start to make a point of it and possibly involve the floor. Unless someone is doing something like this consistently, it's not an angle. It's just a mistake. And this is even more true at the lower level games, because those people make lots of mistakes. The game is not ruined if that one player takes back that one bet that one time because there was confusion at the table.