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Old 08-17-2018, 02:48 PM   #1876
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Old 08-17-2018, 03:42 PM   #1877
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So I had another incident where a dealer messed up and initially refused to call the floor.

I post in the CO, folds around, I look right and see the chair next to me empty, guy in the next chair over moves those cards (in front of the empty chair toward the muck), I raise, button calls, SB calls, at this point empty chair returns / grabs his cards / puts one SB in, I say “whoa hold up” or something, BB calls, empty chair guy puts another SB in.

I again say “stop the action”, explain what happened, dealer doesn’t say anything, I repeat that the guy next to me can’t call after the action has passed him, dealer says “well what do you want me to do?”, I say “call the floor”, he says “seriously?”, I say yes call the floor, he says “no he limped in before you raised”, I say just call the floor and he finally does.

I mean this is twice in a month at a room that is supposed to be really well run. I am not a huge stickler for the rules, but my god can’t I just expect that a a dealer will call the floor when asked?

I honestly am considering a month long tipping ban as protest. I already went to the floor afterwards, explained what happened, he got the head of the room and they both apologized.
That's atrocious.

I virtually never stiff dealers but it's rare I've seen a dealer behave this poorly. I would quietly avoid tipping this one for a couple of months. If by some chance he's still employed there, I'd then quietly ask behind the scenes to see if I he's cleaned up his act.

I can be pretty forgiving to people who want to improve, but.... sheesh. If the room is "supposed to be really well run" then there's hopefully progressive discipline going on behind the scenes.
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:09 PM   #1878
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I honestly am considering a month long tipping ban as protest.
Different situation but would like opinions.

Female dealer at local casino (only place to play within 100 miles) is horrible. When not flirting (believe me, this is not remotely a plus) with the regulars and general joking around and messing up in numerous instances, she makes remarkably favored decisions toward a certain ethnic group. She has been "retrained" numerous times in the three years I have been going to this casino.

I had a "dead hand" called on me after I showed my neighbor my cards on the turn (he was all-in.) Same situation a down ago and she doesn't kill the hand on someone else.

I drop the FU-dealer and get 86'd for a year.

Do you tip that particular dealer when you return? Ban on tipping to last
[ ] month
[ ] 6 months
[ ] year
[ ] bastard

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Old 08-17-2018, 04:12 PM   #1879
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Save your tips for her to the side of your stack and give them to the next dealer when they sit?
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:01 PM   #1880
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Save your tips for her to the side of your stack and give them to the next dealer when they sit?
Man I like this!
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:08 PM   #1881
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I honestly am considering a month long tipping ban as protest.
I decided to do this for a day after I felt like I got cheated. It didn't make me feel any better and everyone thought I was an *******.

It's also unlikely to have any effect. Expressing your concerns to the floor or supervisor is probably the best thing you can do.
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:48 PM   #1882
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I decided to do this for a day after I felt like I got cheated. It didn't make me feel any better and everyone thought I was an *******.

It's also unlikely to have any effect. Expressing your concerns to the floor or supervisor is probably the best thing you can do.
Probably different if you just don’t tip the one dealer but tip everyone else.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:26 AM   #1883
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Dealer should definitely call the floor if you ask.

But is it possible that dealer said that the empty seat was returning ASAP, and you (and the other guy) didn't hear? Like sometimes I'll be on my way back from the bathroom (I usually skip my UTG hand but try to catch the BB) and the dealer will see me and deal me in. Any possibility something like that happened?
It is entirely possible that he saw the guy approaching, but he didn’t say anything (never claimed to have) even after I raised. In fact that is how he explained it to the floor - that he saw he guy coming, but didn’t stop the action and claimed that the guy made it back to the table and limped basicallynat the same time as I raised.

But honestly the decision is whatever (ultimately the floor believed the dealer story and let the guy limp / call). I’m just astounded that dealers are suddenly so cavalier that they just refuse to call the floor. Like this is exactly twice in the last month I’ve asked for a floor and both times I got slow rolled. This time not as bad as the first but cmon wtf.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:26 AM   #1884
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Dealer should definitely call the floor if you ask.

But is it possible that dealer said that the empty seat was returning ASAP, and you (and the other guy) didn't hear? Like sometimes I'll be on my way back from the bathroom (I usually skip my UTG hand but try to catch the BB) and the dealer will see me and deal me in. Any possibility something like that happened?
So what if he said he would be back asap? He didn't get back in time. There's been plenty of times I asked dealer to deal me in next hand while wandering away from the table, but I certainly didn't expect him to hold up the action for me if I didn't get back in time.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:42 AM   #1885
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So what if he said he would be back asap? He didn't get back in time. There's been plenty of times I asked dealer to deal me in next hand while wandering away from the table, but I certainly didn't expect him to hold up the action for me if I didn't get back in time.
I meant that he was returning ASAP, not that he said he was returning ASAP. Like the guy is within 10 feet of the table and yelling "nooooooooooo" slow motion.

Because if the dealer saw that and was trying to get people to hold the action for a second or something, but people ignored him, I would feel a little bit of sympathy for the dealer.

It doesn't seem to be the case.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:39 AM   #1886
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Well if that was the case, the dealer certainly did a very poor job of stopping the action, and the walker still shouldn't get to play his hand.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:49 AM   #1887
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Well if that was the case, the dealer certainly did a very poor job of stopping the action, and the walker still shouldn't get to play his hand.
Under no circumstance is the walker ever playing his/her hand. That's a given.

But if the dealer tried to stop the action - no matter how poorly a job was done - I wouldn't stiff him/her for an extended period of time. Because if in his/her mind they did things right, they're going to blame you.

Fundamentally, if I do stiff a dealer, it's a reminder of my previously voiced displeasure, not a punishment. Using it as a punishment leads to all sorts of misinterpretations, like, "oh he's just mad because he lost the hand and he blames me" which will end up getting passed on to the other dealers. Attribution of cause is a huge problem to any complex subject which is boiled down to a single number - tipping, college admissions, Christmas bonuses, etc. Unless you give an itemized list of reasons, it's more than likely that whatever punishment or reward you try to implement will be misinterpreted.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:09 PM   #1888
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Since were talking about tipping .....
Any «*Golden*» rule about it ?
I played live twice in my life so I’m a bit confused ?
Minimum pot for it ?
I doubt that , if I win the hand pf or just with a cbet on flop HU , I tip right ?
How many players needed to tip on a flop win ?

And how much u top as well ? sb, bb, BB ?
Thx !
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:28 PM   #1889
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Like this is exactly twice in the last month I’ve asked for a floor and both times I got slow rolled. This time not as bad as the first but cmon wtf.
I don't mean this to sound accusatory, but do you get the sense that the dealers perceive you as a "difficult" customer? It's not an excuse, but it might explain the behavior you've been seeing.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:35 PM   #1890
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Since were talking about tipping .....
Any «*Golden*» rule about it ?
I played live twice in my life so I’m a bit confused ?
Minimum pot for it ?
I doubt that , if I win the hand pf or just with a cbet on flop HU , I tip right ?
How many players needed to tip on a flop win ?

And how much u top as well ? sb, bb, BB ?
Thx !


Raise and take it immediately: no tip
Any other pot: $1
“Big” pot: extra $1+ depending on number of “aiya”s
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Old 08-18-2018, 03:26 PM   #1891
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“Big” pot: extra $1+ depending on number of “aiya”s
If by this you mean "the dealer did the work here, because I played terrible and sucked out", I agree.
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Old 08-18-2018, 06:53 PM   #1892
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I don't mean this to sound accusatory, but do you get the sense that the dealers perceive you as a "difficult" customer? It's not an excuse, but it might explain the behavior you've been seeing.
Pretty much the opposite. I am super friendly, know most really well and hang out with a few outside the room. So when I get “seriously?” it is more like “cmon man just let this one slide I don’t want to have to explain this to my boss”.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:43 PM   #1893
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If by this you mean "the dealer did the work here, because I played terrible and sucked out", I agree.
Not necessarily, though that could certainly be applicable.

I recently had one of "those" pots where I raise a big pair and it comes back to me already capped 5 or 6-ways. I get the CR in on flop and bet turn and river and it holds up unimproved to a chorus of "aiya"s. That's worth an extra dollar.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:47 PM   #1894
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Since were talking about tipping .....
Any «*Golden*» rule about it ?
I played live twice in my life so I’m a bit confused ?
Minimum pot for it ?
I doubt that , if I win the hand pf or just with a cbet on flop HU , I tip right ?
How many players needed to tip on a flop win ?

And how much u top as well ? sb, bb, BB ?
Thx !
Fascinating (err...) thread with every imaginable aspect of tipping.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1045503/
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:34 PM   #1895
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30/60 game, new guy sits down with about 1700, looks like he came from 2/5. Buys another 2k green. Posts behind, chks his option then calls a raise , wins the pot with a pair of 9s and tips $6. His hand was K9s...

One orbit later he wins a big pot and tips $11...

The dealers must like when the Gates runs the Colorado Poker Championship more than the players!
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:26 AM   #1896
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Thx guys
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:43 AM   #1897
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The dealers must like when the Gates runs the Colorado Poker Championship more than the players!
Over/under on how many here understand the reference? I make it about six.

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Old 08-19-2018, 04:16 AM   #1898
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Seems fairly self-explanatory, but for clarification: major tournaments bring out the biggest stupidest tourney fish in a multistate region, when they play cash game they tip ridiculously large amounts
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:03 AM   #1899
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The Golden Gates is across the street from the Ameristar in Black Hawk, Colorado. The Gates runs all the tournaments, the Ameristar is the home of the 30 game and about 90% of the ring games.

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Trying to guess the other 3 of 6.
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