That second paragraph sounds like grounds for termination.

To me too. I was already planning my exit when that **** started so I never brought it up personally. One of the props that I respect said he had brought it to management's attention but I never followed up.

Shortly after I stopped playing they reorged and half the props were gone so shrug.

Are props like cops in that both must identify their position if questioned?

The former seems much less likely to lie.

All but one of the props at Oaks are required to wear badges when they play on the clock.

All but one or two of the props at Bay are too.

I don't know why exceptions exist.

08 is sometimes the most aggravating game of them all. I was holding AA54 otb in a 7-way 3-bet pre hand. Flop came high cards w/ 1 and 1 so I have to call a single bet and brick off the turn. IDK why many ppl say that Razz is the most frustrating game bec it's clearly 08.

Sounds like money went in good on every street. Nh

I've been trying to get better at visualizing pot distribution so here's my take on the above hand:

7x3 = 21 small bet pot for 3 bets invested = 1/7 pot investment with what seems like a good profit margin in addition to our investment. In my head this looks like a pizza with a good sized slice taken out and set aside for me. mmm.

on the flop you're investing 1/22+, closing the action is best case scenario so we'll go with that. Now my pizza slice is much smaller, with a very small (<5%) profit margin, however my slice is bigger than my 1/22 investment.

turn? if I call then my slice will be smaller than the ~1/12 investment I make to keep my cards.

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oh good afternoon.

shoutout time? yeah **** it

nyrugby, antneye, origamisensei, Bellatrix, etc, the micros people I've forgotten.

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I've been playing lots of heads up shortstack games vs a friend with two jokers in play. The effect of the wild cards is most pronounced in the preflop shoving ranges, but also in postflop play.

Local theater did a 20th anniversary showing of The Big Lebowski. LOL. Hadn't seen it on the big screen before.

So, the LHE game in my room is on life support (we had trouble keeping one table going this Saturday night); even the big game (20/40) rarely goes on Sundays anymore. SO I am looking to switch to the 1/3 NL games.

Gave it a go for the first time yesterday morning, seems very good. Have never studied any NL strat, recommendations for starting points? I am not trolling.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...ssion-1668307/

Probably the most up to date theory book for no limit holdem, but for 1/3 you'll probably do well to hang out in the live low stakes no limit forum:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...low-stakes-nl/

You're likely to find that low stakes NL players are allergic to thin value bets. They miss them constantly. They don't understand when you make them, and will laugh at you for "value cutting" yourself. It is a skill that you have developed over the years that they just don't have. You'll have to figure out how it applies to the new game, but don't let terrible lolbad small stakes live grinders talk you out of one of your best weapons.



Since they don't make thin value bets, you have to reconsider what hands are worth a call on a later street for a big bet size. I've always had trouble (due to lack of seat time) understanding how those players build river ranges and thus how to consider my calling hands.


You might look at this post from gobbledygeek who transitioned from SSLHE to SSNL. It has been a few years, but I think his experience is relevant. He wasn't a mid stakes LHE player, so I'm not sure how his LHE skills were before moving over. OTOH, he beat LHE games that were close to unbeatable due to rake.

I think Bart Hanson and Ed Miller have good history of CardPlayer articles directed at beating low limit NL.

Quick summary of some of the above advice and my own:
-Don't try to make players make big folds
-Learn how to properly value bet the river
-Don't pay off big river bets from your opponents (you'll quickly learn the few people who could be bluffing here, the rest never are)

If they never bluff the turn, then they can't possibly have any river bluffs. Fold all bluffcatchers on the turn, and then on the river fold the bluffcatcher + missed flush or straight draw type hands that you called on the turn. If their river range is (value) then you need to beat bet/(pot+bet) of their value range in order to show a profit calling the river.

I think this will do well until proven that this opponent can bluff the river for >50 bucks.

The mistake of paying off tight players, which isn't really a big deal in limit holdem, is amplified in big bet games.

yup.

When you look at some of the bluffing lines from bad players in those games, they aren't predicated on convincing a hand reading opponent to fold. They're just putting in a big bet that they think you'll be afraid to call. As a decent hand reader, sometimes you go "he never has that hand". If they're capable of bluffing, that can help. Vs some people, they're never bluffing and that kind of hand reading won't help because they do have some stupid hand they just played flat wrong.


I have a friend who super financially savvy and plays in SSNL games. He's convinced that "the big stack gets to push the table around." I can't convince him that playing multiple SPRs makes the big stack have to work harder, and that a shorter stack just gets to print money vs. multiple big stacks. He'll nod through the math part, read the odd link, and then say something like "I get the theory but in the game, it just always seems different." Expect this nutty thinking from your NL opponents.

Yes shorties steal ev from big stacks. Consider this action:

I raise cutoff 3x with 87s 1k bb deep. whale in small blind calls 1k bb deep, big blind shoves 18bb and it's on me getting immediate odds that tell me to fold, but I call because I expect to win big bets from the small blind when I hit, thus compensating me for the loss of ev to the short stack.

Limit holdem in a nutshell: if you can beat a bluff and you're facing a weird line? It's random spew a high % of the time.

No limit holdem in a nutshell: If you can beat a bluff and you're facing a weird line? It's a slowplay a high % of the time.

my 2cents.

Lhe in a nutzhell: After check/calling, if it looks like you could be bluffing, value donk any pair or ace high.

NL in a nutshell: amuse yourself by live trolling or keel over from sheer boredom.

That's the common wisdom, but in Vegas at least, people bluff at low stakes a lot more than the gurus think.

Wat? It depends on the river card. They might bluff a missed draw, or a draw that gets there figuring you didn't have that draw.

If a player that never bluffs the turn chooses to bet the turn and the river, then he can't possibly hold a river bluff because his available range is (value).

If the turn checks through, that's a different story.

get to know the other players and their tendencies (bluffy, only raise with the nuts, tight, loose, etc). much more important than at LHE. seems like that will be easy to do in a small room. g/l

You ever have one of those weeks where the games are so good that a chimpanzee with a SSHE starting hand chart could beat the game but you are stuck 100BB?

Yes.

Mathematically, he's wrong. Psychologically, he's right. You very often see bad cash game players play their stack like in a tournament. They don't have a rebuy or are reticent to rebuy, and they don't want to get "knocked out" of the game.

You'll also see many players open up their game if they score a big stack. They get more confident and gambly because they feel like they're freerolling.