sorry, but what else is there to say? still gotta lose that money bro.

I’d like to take this opportunity to blame the dealer.

So there is a secondary room in my state that I never play at because it is about twice as far from me and it doesn’t spread lhe above like 4/8. But I’ve been teaching myself how to play PLO out of sheer boredom (it is fun to learn tho) and I made the trip there yesterday to play a 5-100 spread Omaha hi game.

First off, this game could not have been more insane. $200-300 PF per player 3-5 handed was totally standard. And the hands getting shown down were what I even know are garbage in Omaha - J952 ss, AK83r, etc. I played exactly five hands out of the blinds in three hours, two where I had something like QJT9 ds and folded the flop, one where I had AAAK that I am pretty sure I butchered and two where I had KKTx ss and won massive pots. I just know the basics of Omaha and I was easily among the top three players across two tables. Lol.

This particular room could not be run worse though. There was a premature flop one hand, dealer calls the floor over, he asks what happened, makes a ruling, let’s one group of players (who aren’t in the hand), reverse the ruling, then let’s the group of players who were in the hand change to a third ruling that made no godly sense. There were also four guys at the table passing money back and forth (like I saw $20k change hands in three hours). Super sketchy - two of them were both the villains in the massive pots I won and their actions could easily have been interpreted as whipsawing. I saw one older guy who was terrible book a $6k win in the short time I was there.

$20k changing hands in a 5-100 game? Wow. Learn that game and clean up.

Not sure I'd want to have $20k in a place as poorly run as that. Seems like the kind of place where -3 sigma events are going to happen with a -1 sigma frequency.

Ha yeah - those two comments were my exact thought process throughout the night. As soon as I saw the first few hands I thought “dear lord I have to make this game my mainstay. Your roll would have to be huge given that it is basically 50/100 (or 100/100), but the play was beyond atrocious. But there were also two other super suspect floor decisions and another player who was constantly coaching the dealers to “never call the floor and let the players handle things unless there is a fight”.

So yeah I probably won’t play there often (this game and think only goes on weekends anyway) but it was an interesting experience.

After catching a bit of the 20-40 on LATB last Wednesday when two guys went, I think, 8 bets on the T65 all club flop with the nut flush and T5, I’m always surprised at how people seem to overvalue two pairs (or I guess how much I undervalue them).

It's a full house draw!

Put the other guy on 1 card NFD free card 6 bet?

For me, the vast majority of the time, my cards are connectors, so there's always at least a straight draw, if not a possible straight on the board, so if I raise and get 3-bet or 3-bet and get 4-bet, I definitely default to calldown mode (obv the preflop action, number of opps and specific holding + board affect my thinking, but I'm speaking in generalities).

It just seems that so many times I see two guys going nuts on J98 and assume straight vs straight or straight vs set but it turns out one has J9 and the other has 98.

This is why I play at canterbury exclusively now. After having extensive experience in the Omaha Hi at RA even.

It's nonsense really; there are guys who buy in to the game with +5k plus and vpip < 10%. Lots of money on the table, lots of action, usually from maniacs. "learning the game" means basically means being able to stomach absurdly huge swings.

I would say 30k dedicated only to this game would be sufficient. But what do I know?

This game goes every single day and has for the last 8 months to a year. It's a rarity that it doesnt launch anymore.

Who wants to play 'guess his hand?' Guy plays 85% and almost never raises pre. His motto: 'People don't understand that this is a 7-card game. No hand is good until you see all 7.' Consequently he calls any draw in sight using psychic powers and the Hubble telescope. He open raises UTG+1!!!!!!! I 3-bet AA, the field folds.

Flop: 9-6-2. He bets, I raise, he calls.

Turn: 2. He bets w/ a weird grinding motion, I raise, he says 'pocket 9's?' and calls.

River: X. He checks, I bet, he calls.

What are we expecting him to have?

Other two aces.

Expecting? KK, QQ
What he probably had: A2 suited

66?

2x

A2 suited 100%

That isn’t the case according to Bravo but like I said kind of a moot point for me since I don’t intend to play it regularly.

Man, I feel like my main room is going downhill.

I show up yesterday about 10:30 and join the 20 game that is four handed and has been going all night. Sunday’s tend to be super sketchy on not breaking games, but I have nothing much to do and it looks like it is gonna rain. After a few hands I notice that the area around the table is a legit disaster. There are two tables with half eaten meals, water bottles on the floor, food smashed into the carpet, a big wet spill of god knows what, etc.

So I call the floor over and ask if they can clean up, particularly vacuum so that I am not rolling over what appears to be eggs and cupcakes on the carpet with my chair. He says ok and ten minutes later someone from the wait staff comes over and takes one of the two half eaten meals away and picks up one water bottle. After another 20 minutes, I notice flies buzzing around the food (horse racing starts in about an hour) so I call the floor and ask if they can clean more, including vacuuuming (which they are supposed to do every night). He says that they can’t vacuum unless we break the game. It is six handed at this point, but one of the two main spots racks up and the other is on life support chips wise.

I rack up, they break the game and they never actually vacuum the floor.

Am I getting old and cynical or what?

Hf

He had the 62. As he was dragging in the chips he said 'I TRIED to tell you! Didn't you see the way I ground the chips into the felt?' This player is a huge donator who everyone roots for unless he's against them and it was simply my turn.

Winnar! Put me there with suchj0sh, we're expecting him to have A2s. Hysteresis called it, though.


HB, when you posted this it just sprung to mind that 85% VP$IP players with a 1% PFR just don't raise the same hands preflop that we do.

He knows that his open was out of line, and he's signaling to you that he's trying to save you money?


Hysteresis's avatar makes me wonder if he's an old friend of the forum.

The guy is friendly, is there to have fun and can burn through multiple racks w/o complaining. I'm left wondering if I can trust the grinding motion as reliable next time.

I think you can trust that when he takes the betting lead, one pair is no good, and if he asks if you have a certain hand, that means you'd better have something pretty close to the value of that hand, or you're way behind.

Yep. He got the reward players like that get when their silliness hits v. a strong hand, just my bad luck to be the victim this time but it doesn't matter long term.