2018 NC/LC - Misteaks Were Made - Page 68 - Small Stakes Poker Forum

Decomposition of Californian manners well underway.

Me: "Excuse me ma'am, are you in line?"

Late 20s Early 30s Woman: "Are you calling me ma'am? Do I look old enough for you to ma'am me? Jesus Christ! Who even uses ma'am any more?"

Me: "I do ..."

(Mentally runs through about 10 different words to use instead)

Me: "... ma'am."

07-13-2018 , 04:25 PM

#1678

AKQJ10

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I use madam because that's what British Airways flight attendants use (and because people tell me ma'am is too Southern of me and implies an older woman), but I'm acutely aware that has a double meaning too.

I get why miss is offensive, but sometimes I use it for cocktail servers anyway out of lack of a good alternative.

07-13-2018 , 04:28 PM

#1679

Wetdog

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,389

I know a craps dealer who uses "sunshine". I never heard anyone complain about it.

Sent from under the table.

07-13-2018 , 04:50 PM

#1680

LifeRebooted

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 594

I say ma'am because miss strikes me as diminutive and I'm unaware of any good alternatives. In the U.S., madam is overly formal and stodgy and probably only amplifies women's visceral reaction to ma'am.

Usually I try to avoid the problem entirely by just saying "Excuse me..."

07-13-2018 , 05:43 PM

#1681

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

'Excuse me' is good but so is 'Pardon me' which I've used forever.

07-13-2018 , 06:35 PM

#1682

AKQJ10

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It works well when you run out of Dijon mustard and you need to bum some off the Rolls Royce next to you.

07-13-2018 , 06:40 PM

#1683

that_pope

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Just say "Hey you" next time you see that person.

07-13-2018 , 07:11 PM

#1684

holmfries

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeRebooted

Um yeah and also madam is slang for someone who runs a brothel.

07-13-2018 , 08:23 PM

#1685

callipygian

slowrolled by tpiranha!

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,880

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKQJ10

It works well when you run out of Dijon mustard and you need to bum some off the Rolls Royce next to you.

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07-14-2018 , 04:41 AM

#1686

maka2184

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,537

Quote:

Originally Posted by callipygian

I try to use Miss but do still use Maam quite often and dont think theres anything wrong with using it.

Better than being impolite in my opinion.

07-14-2018 , 04:54 AM

#1687

Captain R

Wot

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,573

Ma'am is for older married women, basically 40 and over. Miss definitely 30 and under. 30-40, take your best guess.

07-14-2018 , 05:38 AM

#1688

SetofJacks

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,378

Coming from every woman I've ever known, "miss" is preferred.

Whereas men generally take "sir" as a sign of respect, women usually take "ma'am" as a sign that they look old.

07-14-2018 , 12:05 PM

#1689

offTopic

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There’s a guy who, when I get in a game with him, invariably starts telling others about my play. It’s kind of annoying but at low limits I feel that:
A) people are gonna play what they’re gonna play, regardless
B) I can incrementally widen my ranges against him and anyone else I perceive to be paying attention to him to good effect

There’s certainly no reason to show a bluff when I don’t have to or otherwise demonstrate that “I always have it” might be mistaken, is there?

07-14-2018 , 12:48 PM

#1690

Bob148

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Could adjust many different ways depending on his perception.

07-14-2018 , 01:28 PM

#1691

Wetdog

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,389

I'll show one bluff, just to show that this OMC will do it. It has helped to get villains to call a big bet on the river when he knows that he is probably beat.

Sent from the nuts, or is it?

07-14-2018 , 02:33 PM

#1692

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

Quote:

Originally Posted by offTopic

This happens to me sometimes and my response is: 'So what? You're going to call my raises w/ what you know are worse hands anyway bec you can't help yourself.' That has the benefit of both being true and, hopefully, aggravating to that person.

07-14-2018 , 03:11 PM

#1693

offTopic

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There is definitely a subset that target my “obvious AK” and cold call some pretty special hands, which is why I tend to not want to say anything at all

07-14-2018 , 03:56 PM

#1694

Howard Beale

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Go ahead and say it. You are playing low limits where players think that hands are pretty close in value and if it makes them even more eager to show you that they are gunning for you that's a good thing.

07-14-2018 , 03:56 PM

#1695

AKQJ10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetdog

I'll show one bluff, just to show that this OMC will do it. It has helped to get villains to call a big bet on the river when he knows that he is probably beat.

Interesting. Given that bad limit opponents effectively bifurcate the population into "People who sometimes bluff," and "People who never bluff," I'd think I'd prefer to be misperceived to be in the latter bucket, since a successful live limit bluff can pay off at a dozen to 1.

But of course bluffing never works at limit, so....