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05-22-2018 , 06:15 PM
Thanks guys, I'll probably end up checking out Bellagio (I'm staying at Paris so it's super convenient) but having Orleans as a fallback for O8 and/or small/mid LHE. I did find them on Bravo and it looks pretty good there (I'll just have to Lyft there or something).

Re: charging security: Thanks for the reminder. I am bringing an external battery so I'll plan to use it to charge the phone instead of plugging in directly to the ports.
05-22-2018 , 07:58 PM
Damn prefloppers.
05-22-2018 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfram
Dear god, can we get a separate thread for the car/financial talk? Most of it doesn't even apply outside the US so it's extra special boring for us ROW folk.
Paid in full, credit thread in your honor.
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Originally Posted by callipygian
FLO8 story to honor Doug's request.

tldr: convinced someone to play o8 and did not get shivved

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Originally Posted by ReasonableGuy
Re: charging security: Thanks for the reminder. I am bringing an external battery so I'll plan to use it to charge the phone instead of plugging in directly to the ports.
I'm not actually sure it is a thing outside of security conferences, but so much of my life is on my phone...
05-22-2018 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Paid in full, credit thread in your honor.
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05-22-2018 , 10:36 PM
Tx for the effort, Doug. I'm going to link the thread in BFI's LC thread.
05-22-2018 , 10:49 PM
I was in both an Apple Store and a bank today and in both locations there was a patron with her dog. Is this a thing now? I'll confess I'm not really a dog person. I grew up with dogs, but never really liked them. I wouldn't choose to own one but nor would I kick one if it came up to lick me.
05-22-2018 , 11:30 PM
I bring Andy into Wells Fargo where, he has learned, he gets a dog treat.
05-22-2018 , 11:37 PM
Yeah, people are selfish and think they can bring their pets anywhere. They even get fake certificates and things for the dogs to wear that say emotional support animal. My wife's grandpa is one of those people and he gets outraged if some place of business tells him he can't bring his pet in there. I'm all for service animals that provide a service, but not for animals who supposedly provide 'support' aka I'm a selfish ******* who wants to bring my dog everywhere. There is a whole thread on it. Someone like attention whore Jason Mercier does it at the ****ing poker table. Yeah, you don't need your dog there, attention seeking *******.
05-22-2018 , 11:41 PM
Here is the OOT thread on the topic: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...ight=emotional
05-23-2018 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
I'm all for service animals that provide a service, but not for animals who supposedly provide 'support' aka I'm a selfish ******* who wants to bring my dog everywhere.
+1

I'm allergic to dogs so anyone who wants to bring their dogs close to me can decide what's more uncomfortable, being without their dog for a few minutes or a face full of snot.

Because I don't cover my mouth and I aim for the dog owner.
05-23-2018 , 09:24 AM
There will always be some that take advantage of such things, but I believe some people do actually need those dogs for nothing more than support and security. Go ahead and sing "you don't have to live like a refugee" by Tom Petty, rip, to your hearts content; it doesn't take away the pain and insecurity that some people live with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFnOfpIJL0M
05-23-2018 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Would you say the same thing about a 40/80 game? If not, why do you think peoples' concerns should be treated differently?
A couple months ago a friend and I played 1dollar/2dollar NL with a $60 cap and went all in dark every hand. We were collectively stuck around $1500 in 30 minutes. 3 players quit the game because "this isn't real poker" and another berated us and was making comments along the lines of "you won't last long once your trust funds run out".

How likely do you think it is that we would have had a similar experience in a 10/20 NL if we were punting $600 at a time dark? Would the players still be upset and leave the game?
05-23-2018 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I believe some people do actually need those dogs for nothing more than support and security.
I agree. But other people are physically allergic to dogs.
05-23-2018 , 10:28 AM
The needs of the many over the needs of the few. If you can’t make it to the bank by yourself, you have problems a dog can’t cure.
05-23-2018 , 11:37 AM
I don't see why the physical ailment of one is more important than the non physical ailment of another.
05-23-2018 , 11:44 AM
Sure, but why do they win. If someone needs a support animal buy Cali is deathly allergic to it, why does the person with the mental impediment get to win over cally?

I’m not unsympathetic. But I don’t see why they can’t just tie the animal up outside the bank, conduct business for 5 minutes and then go on their way. Dogs shed, bark, drool, and ocassionally bite people. The 15 people inside the bank shouldn’t be put out for the confort of one person.

Also, the two dogs in question were purse dogs of sorority girls, I’d be surprised if they were support animals of any sort.
05-23-2018 , 12:32 PM
I know a number of disabled/impaired people with service animals who are incensed by the growing trend of entitled hipster douchebags claiming that their pets are service animals, for the reason that the entitled hipster douchebags' doing this undermines the perceived legitimacy of service animals.

(Calli, how would you react to a blind person with a guide dog in harness going inside a bank to a teller window?)
05-23-2018 , 12:35 PM
To be clear, I am not deathly allergic. If someone has a more serious problem, I am happy to cede air space.

Like if a blind person brought a seeing eye dog onto a subway car and I could not stand it, I would get off and take the next train, or switch to another car. No question, no complaint, even if I end up tearing up for the next 3 hours. That problem is more serious than mine.

If someone brings their pet (even if it's not ESA) to a restaurant but makes a reasonable effort, I also have no complaint. One of my favorite restaurants is "dog friendly" and I end up competing with dog owners for tables because they want to sit on the patio and so do my kids. We cool. Our problems are roughly equal.

But the sorority girl who insists on bringing her purse dog indoors - or worse yet pushes back with "ESA!" when told it's not allowed - I have zero sympathy. My problem is worse.
05-23-2018 , 12:44 PM
Nobody is deathly allergic to dogs.
05-23-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Calli, how would you react to a blind person with a guide dog in harness going inside a bank to a teller window?
Our posts crossed earlier but I would feel it's my obligation to move rather than asking them to, because their need is greater than mine.
05-23-2018 , 10:20 PM
I think the bogus support animal vs real one plays out in the real celiac disease vs "I'm avoiding gluten" gluten free crowd. The former get super sick for mild exposure. The second version decide from time to time to have a wheat beer and a normal cookie. If you run a restaurant and run into the 2nd type a bunch, you might not be careful enough for the first.
05-24-2018 , 01:54 AM
Real Celiac people, just like real lactose-intolerant people, will indulge in gluten/lactose from time-to-time, just like the fad-followers will.
05-24-2018 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sean Snyder
A couple months ago a friend and I played 1dollar/2dollar NL with a $60 cap and went all in dark every hand. We were collectively stuck around $1500 in 30 minutes. 3 players quit the game because "this isn't real poker" and another berated us and was making comments along the lines of "you won't last long once your trust funds run out".

How likely do you think it is that we would have had a similar experience in a 10/20 NL if we were punting $600 at a time dark? Would the players still be upset and leave the game?
I think you are more likely to get 3 bet a bunch, and get a waiting list going where normally they struggle to keep the table full...
05-24-2018 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SetofJacks
Real Celiac people, just like real lactose-intolerant people, will indulge in gluten/lactose from time-to-time, just like the fad-followers will.
You're saying that both cross the lines from time to time, not just as often. Right?

If I'm a restaurant owner or someone hosting people for dinner, and I've read up on what is required to make someone with food issues comfortable, and then the person with the special requirement has seconds on "food that would make them sick", I wonder why I bothered. OK, we carefully cleaned one side of the kitchen. We used separate utensils. We carefully didn't mix any ingredients. Oh, you like the gluten full desert? That's fine, but it is basically saying that all the work that went beforehand was a waste of time.

Maybe it is just a Boulder thing, but it seems like 10%-20% of people who would show up somewhere have a "food allergy". It is described as being like a shellfish allergy -- straight to the hospital if not honored. My eyes tell me that for the vast majority, it is a preference. For the person who truly needs the special food handling to not be horribly sick, it seems a disservice. Just like for the person who truly needs the dog. At some point the rest of us think everyone is gaming the system.
05-24-2018 , 10:34 AM
There's another factor to this. The more you limit exposure to allergens, the more common that allergy becomes.

      
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