Here goes.

I was playing a very late night session of 1/3 NL that had degenerated into 1kbb deep 2/5 with straddles and we decided to play two card blind indian poker (i.e. holdem where you place your holecards face forward on your forehead).

The best hand of the night was when the two most aggro players ended up hu on the turn and the action went bet-raise-3bet-shove. One guy had top boat, the other quads. Obviously they were relying heavily on card removal.

The quads folded

[move cars]

When I get home.

Nobody PM Howard.

Hello forumites.

Anyone ever dabbled in FLO8?

I dabbled in it a few years ago, lost a lot of money because I didn't know what I was doing, and never went back.

Last week I was on a poker cruise (and for the record, I could talk about cruising, ESPECIALLY poker cruising, all day, so if you have any questions, ask away) and there were 9 ladies who would consistently sprint down to the poker room the second the dinner hour was over, GLUE their butts to the seats at the 3/6LHE and NOT MOVE! I kid you not, one night I was the 10th person to go down, I put my name on the waitlist, left to take my mom to the ice skating show, and when I came back I was STILL first on the list!

Anyway, one particular night the only table in the room that had an open seat was the 4/8 FLO8 table and I thought, "Bleep it, I'm on vacation" and sat.

I could not believe the horrible, devastating mistakes everyone was making. I mean LHE players know to look for tables where 4 to 6 people are seeing every flop because it's like people are walking by and just tossing extra chips into the pot, but at this particular FLO8 table it was even WORSE! Many hands were going 4 to 6 to the flop even if there was a raise, and even AFTER the flop people were chasing a draw to the third-nut low or tenth-nut high in a huge pot - I couldn't BELIEVE what people were showing down!

To make a long story short, I ended the week down about $140. Was it bad luck or bad skill? I'm sure it was a combination of the two - there were several hands that I clearly played wrong and lost, but there were also a couple hands I clearly played wrong and WON, so... y'all get the idea. I basically just always adopted a mindset of "always think scoop", "bloat the pot when I have a clear equity advantage", and "be aware of exceptions to the always think scoop rule" - I mean when there are 6 people in the pot, you have A2 and there's a low on the board there's a pretty good chance that even if you only win half the pot you still triple your money or at worst only multiply it by 1.5.

The next time I go to Winstar I may walk by the FLO8 game that seems to be running a lot there and see if they're not making worse mistakes than the players at the LHE game (which is usually juicy).

Thoughts?

That's standard for O8.

I appreciate it. I've learned a lot.

Game of the future.

And always will be.

Whelp... time to move on to something else... What's new in politics these days?

If people stop replying to Aaron W, it will go away. But Macau and calli can't stop won't stop.

Maybe in the lull, I can get an update about Bellagio. Their thread in Venues hasn't been updated since March.

I'm going to be there next week, what LHE games can I expect? Last time I was there a few years ago they had 4/8, 10/20, 20/40, and 40/80. Any O8? Do they have USB charge ports at the tables? Do they still have a separate podium for limit games? Do you still have to go back to the cage to buy your own chips?

Thanks, anything else you think I should know would be appreciated.

The girls the girls they love us.

Greetings all,

Just looking to get back into poker after not having played much since university (7-8 years ago). Wanted to try to pick up LHE again which was my original game but it's disappointing to see the number of $0.50/$1 to $1/$2 games available on Pokerstars (and the number of fixed limit games in general) and anything running was 6-max which isn't my preference.

Is there anywhere online that actually has a decent number of micro FR games that run and aren't just stocked with solid regs? It might just have been that it was late on a Monday EST and PS is predominantly other time zones now?

Appreciate any advice.

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I used to play 4/8 FLO8 while waiting for LHE. As Alan said, the super loose play is pretty standard, and people are generally worse than at LHE (where preflop starting hand charts are readily available and less complicated).

But the game runs super slowly. I clocked an orbit, it took over half an hour (meaning we were getting less than 20 hands/hr).

Bellagio:

Haven't been to Vegas in a year but usually watch Bravo decently.

Last I knew games were the same except 9/18 replaced 10/20, played with $3 chips. But that game is the least likely to go. In order of availability I would say: 20/40, 4/8, 40/80, 9/18. But during peak times, 20/40, 40/80, then a toss up between 4/8 and 9/18. The 4/8 seems to usually only have a table, while during peak times there can be 2-4 of each of the 20/40 and 40/80 games.

But my best advise is a few weeks out to start watching bravopokerlive on the same days of the week you plan on going to get a very good feel of what is likely to happen.

FLO8 story to honor Doug's request.

I'm putzing around at FLO8 and another 2p2er enters the casino. We exchange sups and he asks what I'm playing. When I tell him, he remarks he's never played O8 before. I tell him there's an open seat and because he is a good sport / hates money he sits down.

He makes a relatively large buyin, like maybe $300 for 4/8 or $400 for 6/12, definitely on the high end of buyins for that stake, and all big bills / big chips (like he may have even asked for change from a 1k chip). And I'm trying to give him the 15 second rundown on how to play O8 (you must use 3 cards from the board, A2346 is lower than A2356, etc.) because he sat down at the CO and posts immediately like a champ.

So it's either folded to him or it's raised to him and he raises/reraises. And I'm like **** **** **** now it totally looks like we're scamming the table and I have to basically make sure he goes to showdown so nobody calls the cops on us.

Mercifully, I have a reasonable hand in the BB, I call a flop bet because it's O8 and I think the rules stipulate you must call a flop bet, and I think I had to make a call on the turn I wouldn't have otherwise made, but the river bricks off, he checks behind, rolls like AA24ds, and I breathe a sigh of relief. I courtesy show whatever borderline hand I had, and nobody brings out the torches and pitchforks.

tldr: convinced someone to play o8 and did not get shivved

Raising preflop = collusion.

Live poker ftw.

Caring what 4-8 omaha players think, let alone being afraid of them.

Live poker ftw.

Yabbut they might whine.

Nobody whines like a dreadful O8 reg.

O/8 is a great game.

Thanks Pope. I'll start tracking on Bravo. Last time I was there they weren't on it yet.

I wonder if the WSOP starting will have any effect? It looks like all NL tourneys the first week, but maybe general WSOP traffic will bump up the LHE games a bit?

Still curious about my other questions (phone charge ports, podium/cage situations) if anyone has a sec. Thanks!

Played Bellagio 20 late Friday night and the game was decent. There was also a sh 40 and it broke while I was there. I'd expect they have usb charging at the table but don't know for sure. I'm sure the games are better during the WSOP. I can say from experience that the weekend of the Milly Maker is very good.

I believe The Orleans has most of the o8 action in town, spreading multiple steaks up to 15/30 with half kill. I went Saturday am and found low rake, lots of promos, and a fair number of regs. Still, decent games with multiple fun players. They're also on Bravo so Pope's Law applies.

If you want to be security nitty, you'd bring your own charging brick. You can charge that off the table if needed. Ask the guys who decided to use free public chargers at defcon why plugging your phone into one is bad.

Bellagio does now have USB ports at the tables. The 9/18 game is pretty much dead, although there is a chance it will revive during the series. The Omaha has moved to Orleans, along with 8/16 LHE.

Would you say the same thing about a 40/80 game? If not, why do you think peoples' concerns should be treated differently?

4/8 LO8 is not the only game spread at the Oaks. I'm not going to risk being accused of colluding with my Internet buddies over a few bucks.

Well, maybe now I would, because I stand to lose a lot less if people don't want to play poker with me. But back in the day when I was a lagtard degen trust fund baby that people drooled to play 4-handed, I had some semi serious money riding on my reputation.