Threat isn't black or white, there's an awful lot of grey. Should you be on a no-fly list because your former roommate shares the same name as someone who sent money to a group that has been designated as a terrorist organization?

The sprawling nature of the sweeps - remember that at some point the NSA or GCHQ was just like "hey let's just save all the data that passes through the Internet so we can sift through it" - is very concerning.

Yes, it is unlikely that they will send the SWAT team to waterboard you unless they're pretty sure. But that's a pretty low bar for a country that's supposed to be about freedom.

Put it this way, let's say that the NSA asked for permission to gather up all your text messages and Internet searches and Bitcoin transactions and Facebook/Google+ data and promised that they would just look for incriminating information and pinky promise to not look for anything else. Would you give them permission? If not, why wouldn't you be mad if they did it without permission?

I don't necessarily disagree. My point is just that there is substantial daylight between passively collecting data and actively using it against someone. That doesn't mean that the former is totally fine, or that it is not without risks.

By way of example, I'd probably rather give the NSA (or Google) permission to record 100% of my internet and mobile phone activity than let someone I personally know see just one day's worth.

But that is my point, NSA may gobble up innocent people data, but unless you are a tool, it should have no repercussions.

The rest of the bad AI actors gather innocent people data to manipulate the innocent.

People get hacked. The NSA gets hacked, Google gets hacked. Then all the data that they've passively collected but you have trusted them not to be nefarious with ends up in the hands of people you don't trust not to be nefarious.

Agreed, I don't condone all NSA activity, some genuinely necessary.

But the rest of the psychometric data purpose is strictly for manipulation and the collection of data / misuse is just beginning.

White hippie with dredlocks and tie dye is at an intersection in Silicon Valley, holding a sign about traveling and broke, and trying to convince an Asian male in a Tesla to give him money.

I need a GIF of someone taking a full court shot and airballing.

That is a completly different point. Akin to dont use banks cause it might get robbed.

FB, goog and the like are paving the way for the widespread misue, CA is the first creative misuser exposed.

Nsa looks for keywords and payterns to find bad guys (supposedly anyway)

Fb goog just colllect to use and exploit, others take it to abuse and manipulate its just beginning.

Snowden is fake news.

Here is a fun 4/8 hand I played a few days ago.

Folds to me on the button, and I raise 75s. The SB calls, BB folds. The flop is QJTr with none of my suit. SB checks so I put out a C-bet and he quickly calls. Uh oh. I think I'm probably done with the hand (unless I go runner-runner trips or something like that) - even his straight draws are ahead of me and I don't think this is a good spot for a triple barrel bluff. Turn 4 - he checks, I check. River K and he checks, and I realize I can credibly rep having an A so I fire out a bet, and he folds. Nice.

It was the way that he folded that struck me. He showed TT for flopped trips as he mucked!

Fold preflop in raked games.

Except that your taxes fund the NSA. It's a government agency, not a business that you can choose whether to patronize or not. You don't choose to entrust them with your data, they just took it.

1 limp (KcQs), button raise (AcQc), SB calls with a J9 of indeterminate origin, BB calls with Td8d, limper calls.

Jc 9c 7s
Th
Ks

Poker is rigged.

raise preflop

standard

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I feel like 3-betting T8s out of the BB would be out of line

At least you got the bronze.

ETA: just realized that's confusing. At least you got the bronze rather than the silver.

But he did get the silver.

I tied for the bronze in that we both check-folded the river

That's a pretty big laydown with the second nuts and only losing to specifically AQ.

???

Oh, I read "1 limp" as "I limp", as I guess did thatpope.

Now that I understand the OP, I would like to change my comment to "fold preflop".

I did the same and I thought his 10-8 comment was meant to be funny which I laughed at bec it WAS funny in that context.

I feel like folding T8s out of the BB for one small bet 4-ways would be too tight

I had to look back and it's confusing. chill thinks that you limped up front w/ that hand. I suggest 'I call BB' next time that's the case to be clear.

LC thread lives up to its name.

That is true, I was confused again and thought it was two raises. Head is foggy today.