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11-26-2018 , 03:16 AM
What range do you put him on for jamming flop? does it contain value hands worse than yours?
11-26-2018 , 04:01 AM
The point of those questions is this:

If there aren’t any value hands worse than yours, he needs to be bluffing well above static game bluff frequency for calling to be profitable here.

If he’s not bluffing that much then you need to be able to beat some value hands because of the equity of his bluffs.

Looking at bluffing math:

180 + 45 = $225 pot sized raise to win 135 + 225 offers you 2:1. 33% equity needed to call.

270 + 45 = $315 investment for a 1.5 pot raise offers you 2.5:1.5. 37.5% equity needed to call.

Above 1.5 pots the price is even worse.

360 + 45 = 405 investment (hmm 100bb buy in at 2/5) for a 2x pot raise offers you 3:2. 40% equity needed to call.

This is nothing like limit holdem because you may fold huge chunks of your range without fear of exploitation (provided that you’re neither bluffing too much nor value betting too thin)

For example vs 2x pot raise you can safely fold (405/540) = 75% of your range.
11-26-2018 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
What range do you put him on for jamming flop? does it contain value hands worse than yours?
What's in hia value range that's better than TPTK? This is very clearly not a value raise, and if he's the sort to slowplay AA, then you could probably call with KK.

I know a lot of people in LLSNL will disagree with the above. And it's probably true that if you were playing a LLSNLer, you should fold. They either play in horrible games or they leave a ton of money on the table.

I agree it's way overbluffing. But that's what most people do. If the low cards were higher and the high card were lower, it'd be close. Like Ad9d8x. But people still shove any two diamonds because wheeee.
11-26-2018 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
What range do you put him on for jamming flop? does it contain value hands worse than yours?
Given his previous play?

atc
11-26-2018 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
Given his previous play?

atc
Be serious - it's a legit question. You really expect him to show up with 63o?

I'd range villain as something like this: AK (but not AA which would tarp), high pairs, high diamonds, maybe like 76-65 if he opens that thin (but not 8d7d, to which he wouldn't get emotionally attached to). If you want to throw A4s and A3s that's probably fine, it won't change the fact that they're semibluffing like 30+ combos and value bet at most 10.
11-26-2018 , 12:47 PM
Possible range with the C/R that zoomed through my mind quick:

AK, AQ, KK, Diamonds, highly unlikely 33/44. 65 or 67 are possible given earlier play and his desire to spew.

Scratched out the likelihood of the sets really quick, and it was even more fun when we he said "I'm ahead" on the flop after we got it in. Spewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
11-26-2018 , 12:48 PM
Playing with villain to this point and previously, I have never seen him take this line with the nuts. He only C/R weak/drawing (like with a bare six on the board mentioned above).

So we snappy-snap-snap
11-26-2018 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
it was even more fun when we he said "I'm ahead" on the flop after we got it in.
I always fastroll in these situations so that if he loses he can muck and say, "Nice kicker."
11-26-2018 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
AK spades, 3bet PF to 46 on top of UTG raise to 16

Flop Ad3d4c

He checks. I bet half pot. He jams. We snap.

Turn 10h

River 8d

Spoiler:
QdTd


Why
I double-dare you to post this in the BBV forum.
11-26-2018 , 02:25 PM
According to the records I've been keeping for the last 7 years, I am now literally $6 from being a lifetime winner at LHE (I'd say about 85% 4/8, 10% 3/6 and 5% 2/4), going all the way back to the first time I ever played poker at a casino before I actually learned how to play.

I'm a little surprised that I've only played 231 hours of live LHE in 7 years - that's like, what, 20 minutes a week? There were a couple years where I had to shut down completely early in the year. There were also some stretches where I was taking business trips to places where the nearby casino only had NLHE. But still, that number feels very low - there are probably people on this forum who hit that number in 2 months.
11-26-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
I double-dare you to post this in the BBV forum.
You know I'm a pure BBV reg, right?

Edit: I realize nothing is pure about BBV
11-26-2018 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
According to the records I've been keeping for the last 7 years, I am now literally $6 from being a lifetime winner at LHE (I'd say about 85% 4/8, 10% 3/6 and 5% 2/4), going all the way back to the first time I ever played poker at a casino before I actually learned how to play.

I'm a little surprised that I've only played 231 hours of live LHE in 7 years - that's like, what, 20 minutes a week? There were a couple years where I had to shut down completely early in the year. There were also some stretches where I was taking business trips to places where the nearby casino only had NLHE. But still, that number feels very low - there are probably people on this forum who hit that number in 2 months.
Congrats! Breaking even in 4/8 is something worth celebrating.

Don't sweat the number of hours/month. Play as much or as little as you want. It's one of the luxuries of being a recreational player - if one night you're not feeling it, just rack up mid-orbit and go home to watch TV.
11-26-2018 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
You know I'm a pure BBV reg, right?

Edit: I realize nothing is pure about BBV
I've seen literally dozens of your BBV posts - that's why I DOUBLE dared you instead of just daring you! If you whined and moaned like that in BBV what little credibility you have their would be run through a paper shredder LOL.

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Originally Posted by callipygian
Congrats! Breaking even in 4/8 is something worth celebrating.

Don't sweat the number of hours/month. Play as much or as little as you want. It's one of the luxuries of being a recreational player - if one night you're not feeling it, just rack up mid-orbit and go home to watch TV.
Thanks!!!
11-26-2018 , 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
AK spades, 3bet PF to 46 on top of UTG raise to 16

Flop Ad3d4c

He checks. I bet half pot. He jams. We snap.

Turn 10h

River 8d

Spoiler:
QdTd


Why
Quote:
Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
I double-dare you to post this in the BBV forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
I've seen literally dozens of your BBV posts - that's why I DOUBLE dared you instead of just daring you! If you whined and moaned like that in BBV what little credibility you have their would be run through a paper shredder LOL.



Thanks!!!
I don't know what you were expecting, but this is pretty close to what you should have been expecting
11-27-2018 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by offTopic
We were playing 9-handed, so what would ordinarily be UTG got an INELIGIBLE button unless they happened to be the killer, in which case the hand would be played 9-handed and then the floor would have to be called to shuffle up the burn cards in order to deal a river. I guess that's another complaint because the room was pretty busy and the floor was not immediately available a couple of times.

ETA: I remembered that the kill condition was a 45-chip scooped pot, including the $5 drop. 7.5 big bets...seemed kind of random.
Locally, the home game circuit featured a 5 card LO/8 game. They sat 9 handed and had shirts printed up with "no burn on the turn". Very good game, I hear.


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Originally Posted by offTopic
I was actually wondering what happens in the event of a jackpot, unlikely as it is
With all those cards, it isn't that unlikely. I think I've seen 3 or 4 "bad beats" of qauds or better beaten playing 5 card O/8 in not that many hours -- say 100's and not thousands. Not sure the exact math, but it is way more likely than a LHE game with a quads beaten qualifier. If there is a communal BBJP in the room, playing the Big O game would be the way to mine the JP money once it got decent sized.
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Originally Posted by offTopic
It does in this room, quad 10s or better beaten. Loser gets 40%, winner 30% and the rest of the table splits 30%, but it says "between the remaining qualified players". I understand if the UTG was dealt in, the cards would have come down differently, but if the guy's just sitting there, it's not like he's been lobbying for 10 minutes and he should get a table share. JMO anyway
I think you're right. I'm sitting UTG dealt out with a forced miss button, I should be a qualified player at the table. If I'm walking and they're playing 8 handed, think it would be different. Honestly, if you don't have a missed blind, you should get a table share.
11-27-2018 , 12:52 AM
IMO, if you don't have two, you should get a table share. Most people leave on the BB so they get one as soon as they leave. If they come back before the next BB, I think it is reasonable.
11-27-2018 , 11:42 AM
No leodoc lately. Hope everything is good and he’s living it up.

I saw a rescue husky on Facebook and it’s all I want for Christmas.

If that’s really the guys range (lots of diamonds) then yeah it’s a call.
11-27-2018 , 11:53 AM
I miss playing Omaha.

More hands plz.
11-27-2018 , 12:40 PM
$400 gtd tourney. about 18 entrants. heads up with 3:1 chiplead:

I shove KJs, bb snap calls K8o.

I finished in 2nd place.
11-27-2018 , 12:54 PM
You should have waited for when you had a bigger edge.
11-27-2018 , 12:59 PM
7 way, 5-bet (capped) preflop. I have AhKh.

Flop: As 7h 3d.

I ended up in third place, behind T8o and J9s.

Guy who came in 2nd with T8 was really upset he lost the pot. I told him I came in third place and I was happy doing that well with so many people in the pot.
11-27-2018 , 01:28 PM
This one was wild:

$400 gtd tourney, middle game spot with about 15 players still in:

folds to tag small blind, she raises 3x, I shove 10bb or so with AKo, she covers and calls with 55.

AK2r

5o

K!
11-27-2018 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
IMO, if you don't have two, you should get a table share. Most people leave on the BB so they get one as soon as they leave. If they come back before the next BB, I think it is reasonable.

I definitely think you should get a table share if you don't have a missed blind button.

At AJs, if you're not seated, you don't get a table share. You could get up after folding UTG + 1, run to the men's room, not wash in order to get back for your BB, and if the jackpot hits on what would have been your UTG hand, you sit there at the table doing your best Blanche DuBois impersonation.

But it doesn't really matter because the jackpot never hits there (reserve is currently north of $1.2M lol)

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ETA: Regarding "earn", around this time last year, I was running so badly, I was pretty much at wit's end since my "WR" went negative, but made the dubious decision to keep on the grind whenever I could. Won it all back this year playing the same 6-12 rake trap, so yeah, overall making a Nike factory wage since 2015
11-30-2018 , 01:35 PM
I got my table share UTG+1 when I intended to leave after folding UTG. I folded UTG+1, went to get some racks, as I usually do (so I can leave the millisecond I fold UTG).

I came back to find 7s6s and As2s going to war on a 5s4sX-3s turn. I quietly dropped the racks on the floor because I heard a rumor that people who were racked up were BBJ ineligible.

I had to lie to my coworkers about why I was late but I got paid.
11-30-2018 , 02:02 PM
What was the table share?

      
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