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08-10-2018 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
Ed Miller's stuff is good -- The Course reduces beating 1-3 to three fundamental points (a big one being don't pay off big bets because big bets mean they have it, at those stakes). Jonathan Little's NLHE cash games are very good, and he has a little half-size book aimed at small stakes.

I haven't read the Janda book suggested above but the "For Advanced Players" makes me think it's not the right starting point.

Biggest single move from LHE is to learn to reevaluate hands based on implied odds and context. Against someone who's been folding hands waiting to flop that elusive set, unimproved AA is not a stacking off hand. Against someone who'll pay off three streets with worse, it's definitely a bet-three-streets-and-get-stacks-in hand (and many aspiring NL sharps don't realize that). Learn to tell the difference.
The other thing is that effective stack sizes are super-important. ("Effective" stack size means the lower of your size or your opponent's-- that's the maximum that either of you can win in the hand.)

NLHE is two different games depending on stack sizes. When effective stack sizes are short, you are basically looking to get your chips in with a big hand which beats your opponent, and maybe every once in awhile scare an opponent by forcing them to make a decision for their whole stack. In that game, premium hands go way up in value and anything that requires a multi-way pot and big calls on the turn on the river, like 87 suited, goes way down.

In contrast, when effective stack sizes are deep, you are looking to make a strong hand that forces your opponent to stack off and lose, and you also have opportunities to engage in more elaborate bluffing rather than simply just shoving and hoping they fold. In that situation, the strongest starting hands go down somewhat in value, because it is very hard to get 3 streets of value from them, and the speculative hands like suited connectors and small pocket pairs that can make monster hands like straights, flushes, and sets (or can pretend to have them) go up in value.
08-10-2018 , 10:21 PM
Actually, very few hands are stack offs >75bb deep. The trick with premium hands is to get two streets of value vs strong players, and knowing which two streets to get that value on. You can bet flop and turn then check river. You can bet flop check turn bet river. You can check flop bet turn bet river.

Knowing when to take which line is very helpful. I have a very tough opponent that I have a lot of history against in both cashgames and tourneys. He used to bet the flop with anything decent, but I began abusing his flop check range. So he started slowplaying more flops and going for the late street value line. The other day I 3 bet AA from the big blind vs his late position raise and he called; the flop was QQ3r. I checked, hoping to get the two late streets of value instead of letting him off the hook with stuff like 98s that might pair up and pay off. He checked back. Turn 4o and I though I could win stacks with a check raise vs a lot of hands, and given his now strong flop checking range, I checked the flop. He bet 2/3 pot and I shoved. He snap called with TT.

Flame away.
08-15-2018 , 07:54 PM
Don’t ask me why but yesterday a group of really terrible players decided to conver the 20 game into a 40 game. Of course I ran terribly, but man if only everyday was yesterday.
08-15-2018 , 11:47 PM
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LOL one of the vloggers felts a guy in a Trump shirt, then asks if he wants coaching and gives him a business card
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08-16-2018 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
The city [San Jose] does not allow casino comps. It considers them to be unfair enticement of players to gamble more than they want to. No comp system, no need for Bravo.
You really think that's the reason Bay 101 is not on Bravo? Lucky Chances, Artichoke Joe's, and the Oaks all have promotions galore, and none of them is on Bravo either.

I had a conversation with the Oaks GM about this a few years ago. He implied that he and the other Bay Area card room GMs had discussed this among themselves and collectively agreed not to join the Bravo system. He told me he doesn't want customers checking an app and then deciding not to come in because their preferred game isn't going. He wants them to come in and play in one of the games that is going when they arrive.
08-16-2018 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by agamblerthen
You really think that's the reason Bay 101 is not on Bravo? Lucky Chances, Artichoke Joe's, and the Oaks all have promotions galore, and none of them is on Bravo either.

I had a conversation with the Oaks GM about this a few years ago. He implied that he and the other Bay Area card room GMs had discussed this among themselves and collectively agreed not to join the Bravo system. He told me he doesn't want customers checking an app and then deciding not to come in because their preferred game isn't going. He wants them to come in and play in one of the games that is going when they arrive.
It's quite possible that Bay101/Matrix and the other SFBA rooms have different reasons.

None of the other casinos are physically close, and I don't think people are willing to plow through half an hour of rush hour traffic to play 6/12 at a slightly better room.

Every room that spreads 15/30+ will openly tell you if it's running and put your name on the list over the phone, so that kind of undermines the "we want people to come in even if it's not running" argument for MSLHE.
08-16-2018 , 01:19 PM
Not sure what or if it costs. As a business, I want something for marketing $. If I think I'm going to spend $X and get 0 additional customers, that sucks. Add in hassle from the guy who looked 2 hours ago, saw the game, comes in, there's no game (ldo, 2 hours is a long time), and then makes a stink about no such game? Zero benefit + hassle = waste of $. Not sure if any of this is the case, but I could see thinking it is the case. As someone who sucks at marketing my business, probably make these decisions all the time.
08-17-2018 , 12:09 AM
Young guys: What do you think you'd like to see happen most in your lifetime? An end to war? An end to starvation/deprivation/pain and suffering? An era of peace and happiness for all? The healing of the planet and the putting aside of animosity?

No, that is NOT what you want, trust me when I say it. What you want is the development of a better imaging system than a cystoscopy. Take my word for it: That, before all else.
08-17-2018 , 12:22 AM
Is it worse than a Foley?
08-17-2018 , 01:08 AM
IDK what that is but if it's worse than having a tube scraping it's way thru your dick/prostate while it's being shoved into your bladder in a screwing motion than I think I'll just die of the disease that test's meant to prevent rather than go through it. It turns out that I don't have anything wrong in my bladder and the bit of blood in my urine is being shrugged off as maybe prostate related (I was lucky enough to get TWO fingers shoved up my butt this time, tyvm, doctors) and will be monitored. Seriously, being told that I don't have bladder cancer was barely worth the pain.
08-17-2018 , 01:39 AM
Did the doctors buy you dinner first?

Seems like you'd have more than a bit of blood in your urine after that test.
08-17-2018 , 01:53 AM
Howard, I had the same procedure 50 years ago. I opted for the full knockout before. You didn't have a local, did you?

Sent from the iron dick ward
08-17-2018 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Sounds pleasant...

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After the test, patients often have some burning feeling when they urinate and often see small amounts of blood in their urine. Procedures using rigid instrumentation often result in urinary incontinence and leakage from idiopathic causes to urethral damage. Occasionally, patients may feel some lower abdominal pains, reflecting bladder muscle spasms, but these are not common.

Common (non-invasive) prescriptions to relieve discomfort after the test may include:

* Drinking 32 fluid ounces (1 L) of water over 2 hours.
* Taking a warm bath to relieve the burning feeling.
* Holding a warm, damp washcloth over the urethral opening.
So.... pee in the tub while you take a warm bath?
08-17-2018 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Wetdog
Howard, I had the same procedure 50 years ago. I opted for the full knockout before. You didn't have a local, did you?

Sent from the iron dick ward
They squirt what is laughingly called a numbing agent into your dick first. I'm supposed to go again in a year. IF I do I'm definitely getting drunk first.
08-17-2018 , 02:41 AM
Oh, yeah, btw: For you guys w/ the long dicks boy are you going to be sorry some day.
08-17-2018 , 03:00 AM
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After the test, patients often have some burning feeling when they urinate and often see small amounts of blood in their urine. Procedures using rigid instrumentation often result in urinary incontinence and leakage from idiopathic causes to urethral damage. Occasionally, patients may feel some lower abdominal pains, reflecting bladder muscle spasms, but these are not common.
So this stupid test actually causes damage? Have these docs ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath?
08-17-2018 , 03:35 AM
To be fair the damage is temporary, just really stings to piss for a few goes and since the test is being performed by an actual surgeon it's worth it for possibly saving your life. My original remark was just that the young guys had better hope for something else to come along which is likely.
08-17-2018 , 04:19 AM
Seems like they should put you under for that. I just had a colonoscopy today and they knocked me out. That thing seems worse than a colonoscopy.
08-17-2018 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
So this stupid test actually causes damage? Have these docs ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath?
Are you trolling?

Have you never had surgery? You are sore for weeks after that. Lots of medicine is trading a bad for a worse. E.g. drugs usually have negative side effects. They're just less bad than whatever they're fixing.
08-17-2018 , 10:43 AM
I think most ppl get anesthesia for a colonoscopy bec 1. it hurts and 2. it lasts a long time. I woke up early during one and it hurt very much but I'd rather have that pain for a half hour than the one minute I went thru yesterday. It's likely that I won't go next year as I'm supposed to.
08-17-2018 , 12:19 PM
I had one and it didn't hurt, but they had juiced me up on Demerol. Didn't knock me out though. Somewhat disappointing is they said I would be high as a kite and wouldn't be able to walk. It felt like about one Molson.
08-17-2018 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Is it worse than a Foley?
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
IDK what that is but if it's worse than having a tube scraping it's way thru your dick/prostate while it's being shoved into your bladder in a screwing motion than I think I'll just die of the disease
It's exactly a tube shoved up your urethra except that you have to change it twice a week for the rest of your life.
08-17-2018 , 01:15 PM
So I had another incident where a dealer messed up and initially refused to call the floor.

I post in the CO, folds around, I look right and see the chair next to me empty, guy in the next chair over moves those cards (in front of the empty chair toward the muck), I raise, button calls, SB calls, at this point empty chair returns / grabs his cards / puts one SB in, I say “whoa hold up” or something, BB calls, empty chair guy puts another SB in.

I again say “stop the action”, explain what happened, dealer doesn’t say anything, I repeat that the guy next to me can’t call after the action has passed him, dealer says “well what do you want me to do?”, I say “call the floor”, he says “seriously?”, I say yes call the floor, he says “no he limped in before you raised”, I say just call the floor and he finally does.

I mean this is twice in a month at a room that is supposed to be really well run. I am not a huge stickler for the rules, but my god can’t I just expect that a a dealer will call the floor when asked?

I honestly am considering a month long tipping ban as protest. I already went to the floor afterwards, explained what happened, he got the head of the room and they both apologized.
08-17-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Oh, yeah, btw: For you guys w/ the long dicks boy are you going to be sorry some day.
I'm happy to take my chances.
08-17-2018 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by holmfries
So I had another incident where a dealer messed up and initially refused to call the floor.

I post in the CO, folds around, I look right and see the chair next to me empty, guy in the next chair over moves those cards (in front of the empty chair toward the muck), I raise, button calls, SB calls, at this point empty chair returns / grabs his cards / puts one SB in, I say “whoa hold up” or something, BB calls, empty chair guy puts another SB in.

I again say “stop the action”, explain what happened, dealer doesn’t say anything, I repeat that the guy next to me can’t call after the action has passed him, dealer says “well what do you want me to do?”, I say “call the floor”, he says “seriously?”, I say yes call the floor, he says “no he limped in before you raised”, I say just call the floor and he finally does.

I mean this is twice in a month at a room that is supposed to be really well run. I am not a huge stickler for the rules, but my god can’t I just expect that a a dealer will call the floor when asked?

I honestly am considering a month long tipping ban as protest. I already went to the floor afterwards, explained what happened, he got the head of the room and they both apologized.
Dealer should definitely call the floor if you ask.

But is it possible that dealer said that the empty seat was returning ASAP, and you (and the other guy) didn't hear? Like sometimes I'll be on my way back from the bathroom (I usually skip my UTG hand but try to catch the BB) and the dealer will see me and deal me in. Any possibility something like that happened?

      
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