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07-14-2018 , 10:55 PM

#1701

pig4bill

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Canceler

Last night my JJJJA < QJT98 all diamonds. With the resulting BBJ payout, all these years of playing 3/6 not that well have now not cost me anything.

You can fix that, move up to 6/12.

07-15-2018 , 01:56 PM

#1702

Canceler

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 463

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveopie

Congrats!

Thanks, everyone!

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveopie

Did it cost you using up your "one time"?

I did not use up my “one time”. I hardly ever think about the BBJ, including during this hand. All I was thinking was that I had quads, and was going to continue re-raising for as long as my opponent allowed me to. Once we succeeded in getting his entire stack in, we flipped our cards over, and everyone went nuts. That’s when I started thinking about the bad beat jackpot.

07-15-2018 , 02:14 PM

#1703

offTopic

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This says more about me than anything else but if it’s a known/sane opponent, I’m not going past 5/6 bets on JJJT9, for instance, and 7/8 on JJAT9.

Realistically speaking though, most of the players are so jackpot-aware where I play that the guy with the actual nuts might stop early in anticipation of the jackpot (I’ve seen it happen and it ended up not being a jackpot lol)

07-15-2018 , 02:32 PM

#1704

Howard Beale

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This will make me seem dumb but I can't figure out what the hands were that hit the BBJ.

07-15-2018 , 02:38 PM

#1705

offTopic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Beale

This will make me seem dumb but I can't figure out what the hands were that hit the BBJ.

Quad jacks with A kicker and Q-high diamond SF

07-15-2018 , 02:58 PM

#1706

Howard Beale

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Canceler

Last night my JJJJA < QJT98 all diamonds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by offTopic

Quad jacks with A kicker and Q-high diamond SF

I get that part but he didn't mention the hands/board and I'm on drugs so I can't do it myself.

07-15-2018 , 03:01 PM

#1707

offTopic

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Assuming both cards play without a pocket pair restriction it’s either JJ on JJdA+2 compatible diamonds or AJ on JJJd+2 compatible diamonds

07-15-2018 , 04:18 PM

#1708

Canceler

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 463

For Howard:

Me: A

Villain (actually nice younger guy): 9

Flop: J

Turn: J

River: J

(Not that I actually remember all that, but the guy who won the hand took a picture of the table and was nice enough to email it to me.)

07-15-2018 , 04:38 PM

#1709

chillrob

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Just curious, did you bet the turn, or let him get there?

07-15-2018 , 06:22 PM

#1710

Sean Snyder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by offTopic

Realistically speaking though, most of the players are so jackpot-aware where I play that the guy with the actual nuts might stop early in anticipation of the jackpot (I’ve seen it happen and it ended up not being a jackpot lol)

The 1 jackpot I've been involved in featured me holding AA and my opponent holding TT on an ATxTx board and me getting the final river bet in with either the 4th or 5th bet. My opponent was 100% sure that it was a jackpot. I didn't even remember that the jackpot existed and if I did, I oddly would not have expected this hand to be one.

07-15-2018 , 07:52 PM

#1711

KL03

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,407

Quote:

Originally Posted by offTopic

I saw someone do this once with a royal. I think they were trolling, but the other person said they would have put their remaining 30BB stack in. Also wasn't a jackpot.

07-16-2018 , 02:32 AM

#1712

Howard Beale

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Has our beloved sub-forum been chopped in half w/ no page 2 or is something wrong w/ the software?

07-16-2018 , 11:51 AM

#1713

ReasonableGuy

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A mod can correct me, but I think the forum is configured so that posts over a certain age stop being visible. Basically even our new combined forum is too dead to have a second page.

07-16-2018 , 12:11 PM

#1714

DougL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ReasonableGuy

A mod can correct me, but I think the forum is configured so that posts over a certain age stop being visible. Basically even our new combined forum is too dead to have a second page.

I believe you control it. If you click on the forum page, at the bottom there is a thing called "display options". Mine is set to two months, so I only get at 3/4 of a page. If I change that to last year and click the show threads button, I get a bunch of pages.

Confirm. We could use some hands. I could post some 20/40 hands I butchered in Vegas.

Or some 27TD hands that I played badly. That would be about all of them. As I learned, if you make a bunch of 7's you can win money playing triple draw. Also, a #2 can lose.

07-16-2018 , 12:17 PM

#1715

AlwaysFolding

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Losing with #2: Learning how to DougL

07-16-2018 , 12:23 PM

#1716

DougL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding

Losing with #2: Learning how to DougL

To make up for it, I was a nit, missed a clear raise, and saved 2 bets when he showed me the wheel, #1, whatever you call it. If you're going to play like 12 hours of poker, make sure that your mistakes are saving 2BB.

It could also be I folded like a huge pot with QQ to an old guy in a spot where I should have called.

The old guy just always has it, right? Then half an hour later he showed a hopeless bluff along the same lines. Maybe I gave away like $400 in equity from reading him as never bluffing. Math said never fold in that spot, but I was trying to play good live poker. Math was probably better.

07-16-2018 , 12:40 PM

#1717

AlwaysFolding

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In my experience, I always call in both spots versus the old guy and it comes out equal less rake or time and I end up losing no matter what

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I don't blame you for the fold.

07-16-2018 , 12:45 PM

#1718

chillrob

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Last night in 20/40 I paid off an old guy with QQ when he four-bet me OOP pre-flop then bet every street on a J high board. He had AA, of course. Maybe I should have folded the turn, probably would against him if the spot comes up again. I later saw him making a c-bet with AJ unimproved on a high flop in a 4 or 5 way pot, thought that was odd, but he didn't get out of line in any other ways and it's hard to imagine a 3-barrel bluff from him.

07-16-2018 , 01:08 PM

#1719

Wetdog

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,389

AlwaysFolding: I don't blame you for the fold.

That makes sense.

Sent from logicland

07-16-2018 , 01:25 PM

#1720

Canceler

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chillrob

Just curious, did you bet the turn, or let him get there?

Yes, I did bet the turn. If he doesn’t have enough of a hand to call with, might as well get it over with. If he does call, more $$$$ for me, because I wasn’t planning on losing.

07-16-2018 , 02:46 PM

#1721

chillrob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Canceler

Yes, I did bet the turn. If he doesn’t have enough of a hand to call with, might as well get it over with. If he does call, more $$$$ for me, because I wasn’t planning on losing.

Interesting bad call from him with a straight flush draw with three of a kind on board. Almost always is going to have only one out there, and you're more likely to have a full house than quads for the jackpot draw. But lol 3-6 I guess.

07-16-2018 , 02:56 PM

#1722

DougL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding

In my experience, I always call in both spots versus the old guy and it comes out equal less rake or time and I end up losing no matter what

.

I don't blame you for the fold.

I kind of do, because even at the time I knew the math was close even if the read was solid. I think I go overboard in soft live games assuming my opponents are terrible and sometimes making folds based on reads of the player. You just can over-call, because the guy who be is terrible and the first caller is terrible. Once the pot is huge, you're correct, just never fold. HU? Never fold.

07-16-2018 , 06:06 PM

#1723

AKQJ10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chillrob

I didn't see how much the "winner's" end of the BBJ was but if it's big enough, one out to win the pot plus (one out times probability he has one of four combos of AJ) * jackpot equity + the very remote chance of ten outs vs some crazy bluff like AKdd could make it a call. The greatest term of the three would have to be the jackpot one. But we can't say categorically that it's a bad call, and anyway, no jackpot hand is ever folding in the real world of $3/6, so betting quads there is fine.

07-16-2018 , 07:15 PM

#1724

holmfries

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Quote:

Originally Posted by holmfries

Yes clearly I should have stopped the action on the flop and not acted until she called the floor over. I could not have stopped the PF action - she was pulling the bets in and short of physically grabbing her I couldn’t stop the action.

She isn’t a new dealer and she occasionally plays this game. I think that the reason I didn’t stop the action on the flop is that I was just stunned - I honestly thought she was joking. And when it became clear that she wasn’t, it was too late. Lesson learned for me.

The floor was dealing with another issue (a player forcibly mucking another players hand at showdown, also which I have never seen) and I had to leave before they decided the issue. If I’m the guy who won the pot I would be pissed - instead of giving me 1 bet back he should have like 5 more bets PF given that I technically capped it.

Well, I finally made it back to the poker room. I talked to the head of the poker room and he found that the shift manager had left $20 at the cage for me. So it sounds like they did find that I put an extra bet preflop. He didn’t know any of the details of what happened and told me that he would find out.

So I’m guessing that is my only recourse? Obviously I should have stopped the action on the flop so I guess that is my fault. But the dealer refusing to call the floor just kills me. He said that he would make sure the dealer was “talked to”.

Really I’m just venting at this point...

07-16-2018 , 07:32 PM

#1725

AKQJ10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by holmfries

So I’m guessing that is my only recourse? Obviously I should have stopped the action on the flop so I guess that is my fault. But the dealer refusing to call the floor just kills me. He said that he would make sure the dealer was “talked to”.

I can't imagine a competent organization ever conducting this "investigation" or issuing discipline in public. You may never hear how she was dealt with, but that doesn't mean they brushed it under the carpet.

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