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Old Yesterday, 11:59 PM   #1501
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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Why?

What valuable discussion is it displacing or replacing or drowning out?

If anything, the posts should be put into a different thread and sent to a NL strategy forum.
Obviously you can't actually lock the LC thread, although I think (temporarily) doing so rather than let two guys who clearly have animosity towards each other use it as their personal DM contest would be an improvement.

That said, the last 30 posts or whatever should be put in a NL thread for sure.
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Old Today, 12:31 AM   #1502
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Holy ****, that was a long exchange that provided some entertainment at times. I'm glad I was able to read it all at once, instead of day-by-day.

I think when one person sees that they can get a rise out of someone quite easily and then push for that result, it's kinda mean.

Maybe I'm just an internet wimp, due to missing the whole facebook, IG, snapchat, twitter boat (my internet didn't work for a few years), but I always try to post as if the person I'm internetting with is standing in front of me.

2p2 is my only social media and I only came here once I got my internet back in order to hopefully 1) learn more poker = make money 2) network = make money. I never gave any thought to trying to make friends, although that has been an unintended consequence and something I don't regret. So maybe all the social media stuff makes it easier to be rude and disrespectful and because I don't social media, it's made me an internet wimp. I will still only post/chat what I would say if the person was in front of me having a conversation and maybe that's a good way to behave online. Or maybe I'm wrong, Idk.

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Old Today, 01:41 AM   #1503
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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Obviously you can't actually lock the LC thread, although I think (temporarily) doing so rather than let two guys who clearly have animosity towards each other use it as their personal DM contest would be an improvement.

That said, the last 30 posts or whatever should be put in a NL thread for sure.
Better to put someone in time-out.
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Old Today, 09:14 AM   #1504
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

I have not yet begun to animosity!!

Oh good morning.

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I think when one person sees that they can get a rise out of someone quite easily and then push for that result, it's kinda mean.
Maybe it's different for people from different parts of the world. I was born and raised in Massachusetts where you're deemed a pussy if you take **** from someone without giving it back. Maybe that makes me look bad in the eyes of those not from around here? Oh well. Life goes on.

For example, my childhood bff and I had many fights. He was raised on hockey and violence, so naturally we tested our strengths and weaknesses against each other on a regular basis. In doing so, I developed the attitude that I have today, for better or for worse. If I feel someone's taking a shot at me, then I hit back.
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Old Today, 12:31 PM   #1505
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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Obviously you can't actually lock the LC thread, although I think (temporarily) doing so rather than let two guys who clearly have animosity towards each other use it as their personal DM contest would be an improvement.

That said, the last 30 posts or whatever should be put in a NL thread for sure.
To be frank, I skipped over 95% of the exchange, as I skip over 95% of the fantasy football exchanges and others skip 95% of my politarding.

And yeah, if it turns from "a group of LHE friends discussing something non-LHE related" to "non-friends discussing non-LHE", excise and exile. Send it to Politics or Sports or NL. But non-friends are also going to have heated discussions about LHE so you can't make this be a conflict free forum.
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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I'd love to hear your argument why shoving the 9TJ flop with 66 is better than check folding, because it's clearly not
You're welcome to analyze individual situations all day long. But this doesn't address the underlying strategic merit (or lack thereof) of the two strategies posited.

I don't claim that you can't improve on the stop-and-go by having some bail-out plans in place. But when you start doing that, you're going to have a much more difficult time analyzing the situation because now information is playing a role and that just makes everything much harder.

If villain raises A9 and wants to get it all in with bottom pair on the wettest of boards, so be it.
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Old Today, 01:06 PM   #1507
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In doing so, I developed the attitude that I have today, for better or for worse. If I feel someone's taking a shot at me, then I hit back.
You're free to hit back all you want. I can take it. But at least make something of a strategic argument in the process. If you can't, you just sound like you're flailing about wildly and have no clue what's happening.

And posts like this don't help your reputation:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1211

I gave you the benefit of the doubt at that time. You've now lost that benefit. You can't post something like that and then also pretend like you're trying to play tough guy.
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Old Today, 01:18 PM   #1508
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

It was a sarcastic joke aimed directly at you and Rob.

Regarding shoving 66 in the spot mentioned? It's the standard play. It's not my play by any means. It's how anyone half decent at tourneys would play that spot. Therefore, I believe it's on you to prove how the stop n go is better.
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Old Today, 01:30 PM   #1509
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I think the most important takeaway here is that you overvalue winning this pot and undervalue the possibility of a double up. The former will make you feel good like you accomplished your goal more often, but the latter will help you win more tourneys. That's where the money is in tourneys.
This is inaccurate. Bubble stuff matters. ICM stuff matters. Not going busto matters.

Strategically, making better hands fold matters. Without doing a detailed calculation, I would guess that if you can make your opponent fold a better hand even 15% of the time, you're making up for the relatively small equity loss of being in a flip against two overcards preflop by letting those hands out on the flop for half price. The reason to think that 66 would have an equity edge preflop is because you've got a small edge against a ton of two overcard combos.

Most of those combos miss the flop 2/3 of the time. When you win those pots, you don't double up, but you 150% up. I'm doubtful that the marginal improvement of a double-up vs a 150% up when you're short-stacked is meaningful enough to value the double-up that much more. You have a significant increase in your chip stack and you're still alive with a higher frequency.

Again, if you want to assume that your opponent will call a pot sized bet with every pair that beats yours, regardless of flop texture, so be it. So if you think villain snap-calls 88 on a QJ2 board when you call preflop and push the flop, so be it. If you think that your opponents have God-level reads and know exactly what you're pushing the flop with, so be it. But I don't think that makes for a meaningful argument.

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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if your plan is both -chipev and -$ev in the long run. It's just that simple. I don't know how else to explain it without repeating stuff I've already typed out that you already deemed "worthless."
Your lack of surprise doesn't really constitute an argument, nor does anything else you've suggested, especially as you haven't actually given any real comparison between the two strategies. Or if you have, I must have missed it.

There are two very specific strategies being compared. You haven't come down to any details that matter. Constructing arguments with something about check-folding top pair ("We would need to be quite deep in order to check fold QTo on the QJ2 flop" -- which I still fail to see any meaningful relevance for bringing up) doesn't mean anything in this scenario.
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Old Today, 01:35 PM   #1510
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It was a sarcastic joke aimed directly at you and Rob.
I'm sure that's the case.

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It's the standard play. It's not my play by any means.
Remember that time you said something like people who don't make the standard plays must obviously suck at poker? You don't gain credibility by making these types of statements.
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