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Old 08-28-2017, 12:08 PM   #1151
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Might be Thursday/Friday, I'll throw a post on here if I get down there.
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Old 08-28-2017, 04:24 PM   #1152
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buy more chips, guys. buy 'em all like an ******* then have the cage tell the next guy (jesse) that he can't buy $300 to play $4/$8 mix.
Oaks 15/30 back in the heyday. Off the chain main game on 18, off the chain must move on 16.

The floorman comes over and asks if people could mind coloring up because they are running out of $5 chips. I graciously agree to color up 2 racks and am left with a mere 2.5 in front of me.

It's not enough. There's more than a 2 rack shortage, and the floorman comes back and says they're going to force people to color up if he doesn't get more volunteers. A few other people grudgingly volunteer and the debt ceiling crisis is temporarily averted.
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:32 AM   #1153
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Since this is the NC/LC thread:

Something similar occasionally happens at the Ultimate Texas Hold'em pit game because it is typically a $5 game with usually a minimum of 4 chips and up for each of 6 players per hand at a full table, and wild swings. On more than one occasion, I've had the floor call for a fill when things were going well for the table only for everyone to mostly go busto a half hour later and the tray is filled to overflowing.
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Old 08-29-2017, 07:13 PM   #1154
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Moving to Abu Dhabi on the 25th of September. Headed to Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark on the 12th.

I have a layover in San Jose on the 11th. Someone convince me to incinerate some monies at the Bay limited Texas that night.
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Old 08-29-2017, 07:20 PM   #1155
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

But why the **** are you moving to a place where no degeneracy can take place
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:12 PM   #1156
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Moving to Abu Dhabi on the 25th of September. Headed to Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark on the 12th.

I have a layover in San Jose on the 11th. Someone convince me to incinerate some monies at the Bay limited Texas that night.
How long is your layover? Sometimes the wait can be long to get a seat. If you play 20 or higher be sure to call and get on the list as soon as you land. Call right now to make sure it'll be open.

If it is open, it's almost walking distance from the airport. The new location, that is. FYI about airport taxis - it's $15 minimum fare even if they only drive to the corner.
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:07 PM   #1157
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How long is your layover? Sometimes the wait can be long to get a seat. If you play 20 or higher be sure to call and get on the list as soon as you land. Call right now to make sure it'll be open.

If it is open, it's almost walking distance from the airport. The new location, that is. FYI about airport taxis - it's $15 minimum fare even if they only drive to the corner.
1.) Take a bear.

2.) Abu what?
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Old 08-29-2017, 10:31 PM   #1158
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

The layover is overnight.
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:36 AM   #1159
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

I may overvalue image and how often people will take shots at me, but today I watched a guy checkraise turn on QJx-J and then check-muck AJ faceup for one bet when a Q rolled off on the river. I personally don't ever want to be known as a hero-folder
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Old 08-30-2017, 01:35 AM   #1160
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

At 4-8?!????
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Old 08-30-2017, 02:17 AM   #1161
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

6-12.

I peeled flop with T7s on QTx with one of my suit when the same guy led in to me on flop (he had completed SB and I had checked my option, we took the flop like 5 ways). Two other callers and I spiked a T on the turn. This individual check-folded turn and later claimed AQ.

Now, this may not be true because he didn't fold faceup, but I'm definitely going to be looking for reasonable scare card spots in the future.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:27 AM   #1162
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

6-12, same thing and am amazed that someone would c/f.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:05 AM   #1163
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Your avy just gave me a seizure.
Lost a bet in BBV.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:12 AM   #1164
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Lost a bet in POG, but same diff
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:47 AM   #1165
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The layover is overnight.
Of all the things that people mentioned were banned in the UAE - gambling, drinking, strippers, etc. - is poker the one you're really going to miss the most?
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:36 AM   #1166
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They also block porn so add that to the list.
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:44 PM   #1167
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block porn is okay, interracial is really a thing these days.
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Old 08-30-2017, 01:38 PM   #1168
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It is funny that the two schools of thought on game image have no empathy with each other. The guys who like to have lucky gambler image love the incorrect image of being stuck/gambly. The more standard TAG players want a solid image and never appear to be losing. As long as you know how your game matches the image you want, either way is probably fine.
One of the reasons for this is because there's no proof that "table image", in the sense that people use it in this forum, actually exists.

That doesn't mean players don't make adjustments to their perceptions of how you play. Some players do, some players don't. And many times what appear to be "adjustments" are nothing more than that player experiencing short term variance in the cards that he or she is being dealt.

There's ZERO math behind the idea that there's this "image" that you can have that is more +EV than other images you can have. It's all based on anecdotes, and anecdotes are almost worthless in a game where it takes more than 10,000 hands to definitively pronounce anything.

I personally think not giving a hoot about your table image is +EV. Certainly better than making unscientific adjustments.
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Old 08-30-2017, 02:00 PM   #1169
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

I completely disagree and your table image isn't simply how you play your cards.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:00 PM   #1170
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

I agree with pope. Wearing my WVU cap often helps whatever 'image' I might have (assuming I play accordingly).
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:01 PM   #1171
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I completely disagree and your table image isn't simply how you play your cards.
Right. I thought this was common knowledge?

Look there is no data about anything in live poker. To contend that table image is meaningless just because there hasn't been a scientific study on it is just silly. I think it is generally overblown by some players but it is important nonetheless.
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Old 08-30-2017, 03:04 PM   #1172
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There's ZERO math behind the idea that there's this "image" that you can have that is more +EV than other images you can have. It's all based on anecdotes, and anecdotes are almost worthless in a game where it takes more than 10,000 hands to definitively pronounce anything.
I agree that there's ZERO math, but there's a ton of psychology that shows how you are perceived impacts how people respond. I would not be at all surprised to discover that there's enough implicit bias that a young black player and an old white player would have different EVs even if playing identically.

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I personally think not giving a hoot about your table image is +EV. Certainly better than making unscientific adjustments.
I generally agree with this. However, if you're the table jerk, you should definitely care about your table image because it's -EV for you to drive off the casual players.
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Old 08-30-2017, 04:18 PM   #1173
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I would not be at all surprised to discover that there's enough implicit bias that a young black player and an old white player would have different EVs even if playing identically.
LOL there's enough *explicit* bias that I *know* those two players would have different EVs.

Here are some things people have said to my *face*, my gambly, yellow face:

"Why is it that you Asians play feel-based strategies rather than math-based strategies?"

"I bet you live off your daddy's trust fund."
"Um, I work for Novartis."
"Well I bet your daddy owns the company."

"What do you do during the day that allows you to drop $500 a night like this?"
(FTR: "I'm a pimp.")

And on the other end of the spectrum, here are some of the things people have said to my face, my nerdy, four-eyed face:

"25 times 24 ... 25 times 24. I bet callipygian knows this off the top of his head."
(FTR: I did.)

"I'd play 3-handed with almost any two people but not with two people who look like they went to Ivy League schools."

(To his neighbor) "Watch out for the techie types. This guy (nods at me) looks like he played a million hands on the Internet before any of us heard about the Internet."
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Old 08-30-2017, 05:04 PM   #1174
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FTR, I've seen how great table images can affect WR over thousands of hours and I wish I had said image (rather than "typical kid who doesn't limp and caps AK and other stuff" that I currently seem to have).
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Old 08-30-2017, 06:30 PM   #1175
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LOL there's enough *explicit* bias that I *know* those two players would have different EVs.
LOL -- I was trying to make an argument based on abstract concepts and not experience.

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FTR, I've seen how great table images can affect WR over thousands of hours and I wish I had said image (rather than "typical kid who doesn't limp and caps AK and other stuff" that I currently seem to have).
The table image I would have wished for is to be an attractive woman. I swear that some of those old guys called just so that they could justify looking staring "them" down a bit.
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