Well in that case you should really not bet this hand imo.

lot of river checkraise bluffs in your games?

Does that assume he never xr flop? That seems like a hugely ambitious claim to give him all of his TT+, Kx and flush combos.

He can bluff on the turn too. A lot of his equity comes from seeing the river. Some from obvious draws that you can charge now, and a lot of random **** on this board texture that isn't excited about calling the turn. Bet the turn, check back some rivers

I would say no, but as I said in my original post we are getting very reliable body language tells that he doesn't have a hand, which is why I was super confident betting the river in the first place. If I got raised, I would have been surprised and I would be even more surprised if he showed me the best hand. I wasn't worried about getting raised as I was pretty sure he was going to call me very light.

No but all his kings should be there on turn tho.
Anyway just saying I ran the number and it gives a 56% for an Utg 6 max range, true I did not put a c/r range on flop and it is true that probably lot of equity for villain comes from weak draws from the flop peel ( thx Zomg).
I shall do a real sim ( this one I just did it super fast without much thinking) next time and adding a decent c/r bluff/value combo.
I really like this hand for both sides.

Ok ...

When I say I would not call I met if we bet the turn and get c/r, on the turn.
Of course not folding the river once we check the turn.

Except maybe I would but with a low frequency come to think of it.

Yeah, I'm not bet-folding the turn against this player either.

This hit me right in the gut and it's not even my mom.

Yeah I'd just wanna see the range you use; I certainly have a flop xr range in 3 bet pot on 975tt. Q9s is still a borderline hand versus my range (doing quick math; I'm at work), but I suspect that a person we are three betting with Q9s is going to have a lot more crap in their range, like 65s and Q7s that we want to be getting value from. Though we would be low in our turn vb range, so it'd make a lot of sense for this to be our bet/fold hand (as even TT can have a bunch of hidden outs v 97s or 75s that improve its equity).

Of course, TDK seems to claim that this opponent is a monkey, so maybe we just go ahead and bet/call. Whatever.

I've just been skimming this conversation.

check raise flop, bet call any non improvement on the turn imo. I never bet fold value hands. I save that line for my low frequency low equity bluffs.

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oh good morning.

hope everyone had a blast on the 4th. I also hope no pets ran away in fear of fireworks.

At least she won't get carded at the bar.

It sounds like the OP intentionally posted it in the NC thread to get more views and fully understood it was going to get mixed in with dick jokes and fantasy football news.

Why did you use an UTG 6max range? Your original post said he was "in the HJ and one of the biggest steamers."

Is Q9s in your normal 3b range or your is that more common when you think the guy is tilting?

The CAZ mention was for the seniors NL tournament.

I don't know why he did that. It was my hand. It was a full ring game. It's not a normal three bet hand for me; it's an exploitive three bet against someone that is clearly trying to give his chips away. He's opening hands as bad as 92 suited. Also worth noting, the blinds are crazy tight. I opened from the button ten times before the big blind finally called or three bet me. The small blind hadn't done much fighting either. They were playing laughably tight.

If he's opening 92s then it's a crazy easy turn bet and you can pry Q9s out of cold dead fingers preflop

Like you ever fold a hand with both a Q and a 9 in it. You have both a Q and a 9 to go with. Tournament winners never fold big hands like that.

If the game is so tough that I can't three bet Q9s, I'm either not in it or doing it anyway. Life's too ****ing short

My 3-bet range looks something like this:

UTG: 27s+
UTG +1: 27s+
UTG +2: 27s+
etc
BB: JTs+

Any suited 5 gapper, or better. That's straight out of the Jesse8888 + Captain R course on power poker. I'm not as good as you guys post flop, so I'm a couple pips tighter. Total respect to you and Zomg

Yeah after the couples post after yours, the guy was pretty awefull maniac so yeah easy 3bet pf ( seem the other guys behind in the blinds were not a threat to cap anything decent but only TT+ ,AQ+)
Pretty much a no brained bet Turn call down .

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About this, I ran some numbers before we had confirmation on the nut head TDK was playing and was assigning more realistic play and range .

After putting a decent ( tight side) c/r on the HJ, the turn hits his calling range around 30% top pair and 9% flushes while if you bet to fold weak one card flush, it represent 16% of his range and 9% his Ahigh nut flush draw range ( which he might c/r has a bluff some of them)

So around 40% of his range already crush the pair of 9 while betting to charge draws, we target draw for like 25% of the time.

Obv nothing is perfect but I am not too sure it is a clear bet when at least like 35-40% of our range is crush and having to count as well there might be some bluff too in his range he could force us to fold to a c/r on turn ( obv. versus any other opponent than TDK was confronting).

Just like a Frenchman to cave

Good luck 3-betting UTG.

Haha the 10000th thread in this forum was a NL hand.