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Betting is clearly right but more importantly the check on the turn is really bad. He will turn all sorts of draws that you still beat and that will call you and that you don't want to give a free card to. Even if he hits the king he may not checkraise since he perceives the board as scary and your range as strong. Also you are gonna want to double barrel that turn card (and fire the last barrel on a lot of bricks), think of all the gutshot straight flush combos you will have.

3 betting Q9s in this spot pre can be totally fine but not if you don't know how to get value from the marginal hands you are gonna make. You should bet all 3 streets. Sometimes he will have better but that's fine.

Nothing to add, nice post DD

07-04-2017 , 04:17 PM

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jdr0317

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2/5 NL, 2 limps, fish raises to 20, BB calls limpers call

Flop 882r, checks to raiser who bets 200 and steam calls off the last 80 to get shown 8888.

I need to play 2/5 more

*disclaimer: I was not 8888 guy or 2.5x pot cbet guy.

07-04-2017 , 10:55 PM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

God bless you Howard. If ever there was proof that just having faith in something a lot can make it true...

In Howard's honor I'm going to spend today having a lot of faith in ten fewer kids getting cancer and it will be true

Happy merica day indeed

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5-rack win today - 4/8, tho - which included this beauty:

Full kill pot, UTG limps, I raise A

UTG +1, get a bunch of callers.

Flop: K-

. UTG bets, I call, bunch of callers (what the heck?).

Turn: 7

, I bet get a couple of callers.

River: 10

. I thought that maybe that card might get me something but I didn't get any callers otr. Did get the $100 Royal promo bonus!

07-04-2017 , 11:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Full kill pot, UTG limps, I raise A

UTG +1, get a bunch of callers.

Flop: K-

. UTG bets, I call, bunch of callers (what the heck?).

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07-04-2017 , 11:32 PM

#606

Howard Beale

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I'm never, ever, ever, ever raising that flop. For all I know they'll go nuts behind me.

07-04-2017 , 11:35 PM

#607

DougL

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Congratulations on the Royal

07-04-2017 , 11:49 PM

#608

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by DougL

Congratulations on the Royal

Thanks!

07-05-2017 , 12:58 AM

#609

Clumsy Surgeon

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

I have no problem with this.
But tilt player imo can c/r with hands worst than us here.
Often their play become erratic so I would be content to put 1BB here and it would be on the river because I would hate to fold to a c/r on turn .

Btw if we bet this, what hands left with have to bluff catch a river bluff ?

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Originally Posted by Clumsy Surgeon

Bet this hand for value. Turn worse pairs or A high into a bluff catcher.

Worse pairs or A high?

07-05-2017 , 01:04 AM

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Clumsy Surgeon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jdr0317

😐

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I'm never, ever, ever, ever raising that flop. For all I know they'll go nuts behind me.

The hands that would raise are the hands that would 3b your flop raise, right? Also, nobody can raise w/ a big flush draw b/c LDO you have those cards. Besides, after you raise, if one person cold-calls you others likely tag along with progressively weaker hands.

07-05-2017 , 01:34 AM

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Howard Beale

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This is 4-8 we're talking about here, maybe they 3-bet w/ QQ+ but I've seen them just call w/ those hands also. Additionally, they do the strangest things post flop. I like my call and hope that they decide to get funky.

07-05-2017 , 01:40 AM

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Clumsy Surgeon

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Respectfully disagree

and I feel like you answered the question (i.e. they might just cold call w/ QQ+). Seems to be more hands that cold call 2B's on the flop than those that 3B you especially since you have the A

and K

dead (they can't raise w/ big flush draw). What hands do you think raise this flop in a kill pot?

07-05-2017 , 02:00 AM

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Dang that's nitty. WSOP still going...

Congrats on the royal. Never got one in regular poker.

07-05-2017 , 02:17 AM

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I've been calling a lot in multiway pots in 20/40 with hands I know are good (mainly 3 handed) when I can clearly see the other player in the pot is calling as well.

I think it is really an underrated skill in limit poker these days, especially when they will bet bet bet 3 streets but fold to a raise because I also call down w/ K high.

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On the royal discussion. I've gotten 2 live in Hold'em. And they were within a week of each other. And I've been playing decent rec volume live for 13 years now.

07-05-2017 , 02:34 AM

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Howard, speaking of tournaments I see there's going to be a Seniors Open at CAZ. You got two months to brush up on your NL.

07-05-2017 , 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

Two part question:

Why can't your kids take apart their own legos?

I would guessed you were the kind of dad who got the cool, nerdy 'legos.' So what's the deal? You could play with them yourself

1. 2x2 flat stuck directly on another 2x2 flat.

2. I do play with them myself.

3. I kind of feel like there's a TWSS joke in there somewhere but can't be 100% sure.

07-05-2017 , 10:40 AM

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Howard Beale

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clumsy Surgeon

Respectfully disagree

and I feel like you answered the question (i.e. they might just cold call w/ QQ+). Seems to be more hands that cold call 2B's on the flop than those that 3B you especially since you have the A

and K

dead (they can't raise w/ big flush draw). What hands do you think raise this flop in a kill pot?

OK, to disagree of course, but the game plays timid most of the time and even more so in a kill pot. Maybe they call a flop raise but that flop is really scary. I was hoping just to get overcalls and that maybe someone had flopped a set.

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No tourneys for me, pig, I'm the deadest money of them all.

07-05-2017 , 01:10 PM

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You don't have to play tourneys, the cash games are aplenty while the Series is going on. Plus, the Orleans had the jackpot over 70k, which made it tough to find a close parking space even on the top floors.

07-05-2017 , 02:37 PM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by pig4bill

You mentioned CAZ. And I MIGHT take mom to LV again but not in the summer, that's for sure.

07-05-2017 , 02:57 PM

#620

DougL

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With Gobbo and Bugstud crushing the tournament grind at Rio, the 80 game at the B has to be softer than normal.

07-05-2017 , 03:24 PM

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2017 WSOP Trip Report - Part Two

07-05-2017 , 08:23 PM

#622

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Beale

You mentioned CAZ. And I MIGHT take mom to LV again but not in the summer, that's for sure.

You'll spend most of your time indoors at the slots (or the clubs

), right? So why does it matter when you go?

07-05-2017 , 08:51 PM

#623

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by callipygian

You'll spend most of your time indoors at the slots (or the clubs

), right? So why does it matter when you go?

We stay at The Orleans 3 nights for cheap and cab it to the Venetian one of the days for shopping and a different property on another day. These days mom doesn't walk very well, I have to wheelchair her around which I don't mind, but it keeps her outside for too long. Even that little extra bit is too much. TBH, next trip could easily be her last even though she's doing ok but 88 years old is 88, after all.

07-05-2017 , 09:26 PM

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Con't (i was pooping and my kids wanted me to take apart some legos, a detail I probably could have left out but I needed to balance the content range of this thread)

Whether you should bet Q9 depends on what villain will call. You want to construct your value range so that you have about 50-60% equity (depending on whether you intend to calla raiseornot) vs his calling range, then fill in bluffs to balance. If you have too many bluffs you should drop bluffs not add value.

Just for info, I ran a quick sims with Q9h vs an Utg 6 max range ( which is around 18% range) and I end up at 46% equity on the turn when the Ks hit..

Should we really use this hand to bet/fold and turning it into a bluff instead of using it into a bluff catcher on the river vs a tilt opponent ?

Would be nice to have a thread on this one imo.

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 07-05-2017 at 09:39 PM.