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Old 12-06-2017, 04:50 PM   #2251
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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As Aaron nicely summarized with his work...
Work that I screwed up, by the way.

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Let's see... There's one ace left in the deck and three twos left in the deck, and then 16 broadway cards (we'll allow for pairs to simplify things). There are

1 * 3 * 16 * 15 = 720 ways to get those hands.
I forgot to divide by two because the two broadway cards can come in either order.

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:52 PM   #2252
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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Work that I screwed up, by the way.







I forgot to divide by two because the two broadway cards can come in either order.



<sigh>

Hah well I didn't notice; not like the conclusion changes at all. No brainer shove, we can just become ICM nits if we get quartered.


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Old 12-06-2017, 05:45 PM   #2253
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So the question is how deep do we have to be to raise <15% of our stack? Throw in some antes because tourneys woo hoo and I’m shoving even wider.
If that hand was in a satellite I missed that part.

I think around 18-20 bigs is when you can start opening for 2.2-2.5x and play some flops and fold to raises - although you shouldn't really be opening hands you can't stack off with. What you are really looking to do is jam over an open with this stack size.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:46 PM   #2254
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Also, NLO8 might have different stack size strategies. Maybe it's just fine to make a standard open with 15 bigs in that game. You are getting a piece of the pot back often enough that playing flops might be reasonable.

Also, lack of antes could make a difference.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:15 AM   #2255
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Also, NLO8 might have different stack size strategies. Maybe it's just fine to make a standard open with 15 bigs in that game. You are getting a piece of the pot back often enough that playing flops might be reasonable.

Also, lack of antes could make a difference.
I think the answer to this question is somewhere in the relative equity distributions comparing:

(average equity distribution in all in situations) for game x.

and

(average equity distribution in all in situations) for game y.

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Think about the extremes:

static game with few draws like 2-7 no limit single draw, which will favor the player doing the shoving to the point that the respective opening preflop raise % will be relatively high.

or

dynamic game with lots of draws like big O8 wheeee, which will make shoving more dangerous.
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Old Today, 01:26 PM   #2256
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

I go to table my hand and one card catches in the felt, flips over, I deflect it trying to catch it and it lands in my lap. I then table it, is my hand dead?
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Old Today, 02:07 PM   #2257
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I would vote no.
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Old Today, 04:24 PM   #2258
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It depends on the floor person. But I think it technically could be called a dead hand.
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Old Today, 04:50 PM   #2259
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It would be ludicrous to kill that hand
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Agreed.
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Of course the hand shouldn't be killed but it gets killed anyway an awful lot.

The probability of it being killed goes up with the amount of lobbying (by your opponents) to kill it.
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)



tbh
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

Dealer stopped, I actually thought I was screwed (she said she had to call floor and I said absolutely, I understand), but the pot was small and the other guy saw I had the best hand and let it go. So she pushed it to me and we played on. Not sure how floor would have ruled. I'll ask next time I'm in the room.

Several years ago, I turned quads and wound up heads-up with the player on my left, who was all-in. When the river came down, I showed him my hand (without tabling it) which he proceeded to break and throw on the floor before stalking out of the cardroom. Any idea what the ruling would have been if there had been a third player in at showdown?
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Several years ago, I turned quads and wound up heads-up with the player on my left, who was all-in. When the river came down, I showed him my hand (without tabling it) which he proceeded to break and throw on the floor before stalking out of the cardroom. Any idea what the ruling would have been if there had been a third player in at showdown?
Every cardroom is different, but presuming your ripped up cards were still retrievable from the floor, I'm sure they would have awarded the pot to you if you had the winning hand.

If there were a complaint from the third person or the cards were not retrievable, I would ask to open up the stub to show that the cards you claimed you had were not in the deck.
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