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12-06-2017, 04:50 PM   #2251
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by jdr0317 As Aaron nicely summarized with his work...
Work that I screwed up, by the way.

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 Originally Posted by Aaron W. Let's see... There's one ace left in the deck and three twos left in the deck, and then 16 broadway cards (we'll allow for pairs to simplify things). There are 1 * 3 * 16 * 15 = 720 ways to get those hands.
I forgot to divide by two because the two broadway cards can come in either order.

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12-06-2017, 04:52 PM   #2252
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by Aaron W. Work that I screwed up, by the way. I forgot to divide by two because the two broadway cards can come in either order.

Hah well I didn't notice; not like the conclusion changes at all. No brainer shove, we can just become ICM nits if we get quartered.

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12-06-2017, 05:45 PM   #2253
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by Bob148 So the question is how deep do we have to be to raise <15% of our stack? Throw in some antes because tourneys woo hoo and I’m shoving even wider.
If that hand was in a satellite I missed that part.

I think around 18-20 bigs is when you can start opening for 2.2-2.5x and play some flops and fold to raises - although you shouldn't really be opening hands you can't stack off with. What you are really looking to do is jam over an open with this stack size.

 12-06-2017, 05:46 PM #2254 TheDarkKnight veteran   Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Gotham Posts: 2,053 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) Also, NLO8 might have different stack size strategies. Maybe it's just fine to make a standard open with 15 bigs in that game. You are getting a piece of the pot back often enough that playing flops might be reasonable. Also, lack of antes could make a difference.
12-07-2017, 09:15 AM   #2255
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight Also, NLO8 might have different stack size strategies. Maybe it's just fine to make a standard open with 15 bigs in that game. You are getting a piece of the pot back often enough that playing flops might be reasonable. Also, lack of antes could make a difference.
I think the answer to this question is somewhere in the relative equity distributions comparing:

(average equity distribution in all in situations) for game x.

and

(average equity distribution in all in situations) for game y.

----

static game with few draws like 2-7 no limit single draw, which will favor the player doing the shoving to the point that the respective opening preflop raise % will be relatively high.

or

dynamic game with lots of draws like big O8 wheeee, which will make shoving more dangerous.

 12-10-2017, 01:26 PM #2256 offTopic Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Making stupid side bets Posts: 18,150 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) I go to table my hand and one card catches in the felt, flips over, I deflect it trying to catch it and it lands in my lap. I then table it, is my hand dead?
 12-10-2017, 02:07 PM #2257 KL03 old hand   Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Where they don't respect my raises Posts: 1,324 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) I would vote no.
 12-10-2017, 04:24 PM #2258 Aaron W. Carpal \'Tunnel   Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 28,967 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) It depends on the floor person. But I think it technically could be called a dead hand.
 12-10-2017, 04:50 PM #2259 DeathDonkey Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 12,424 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) It would be ludicrous to kill that hand
 12-10-2017, 04:58 PM #2260 that_pope Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Casino AZ Posts: 25,967 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) Agreed.
 12-10-2017, 06:34 PM #2261 callipygian slowrolled by tpiranha!     Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: but I don't know which Posts: 19,746 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) Of course the hand shouldn't be killed but it gets killed anyway an awful lot. The probability of it being killed goes up with the amount of lobbying (by your opponents) to kill it.
 12-10-2017, 07:51 PM #2262 AlwaysFolding masterbaker     Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Mr. H0rus' Steel Cage Match Posts: 12,403 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) tbh
 12-10-2017, 08:41 PM #2263 offTopic Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Making stupid side bets Posts: 18,150 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) Dealer stopped, I actually thought I was screwed (she said she had to call floor and I said absolutely, I understand), but the pot was small and the other guy saw I had the best hand and let it go. So she pushed it to me and we played on. Not sure how floor would have ruled. I'll ask next time I'm in the room. Several years ago, I turned quads and wound up heads-up with the player on my left, who was all-in. When the river came down, I showed him my hand (without tabling it) which he proceeded to break and throw on the floor before stalking out of the cardroom. Any idea what the ruling would have been if there had been a third player in at showdown?
12-10-2017, 09:14 PM   #2264
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by offTopic Several years ago, I turned quads and wound up heads-up with the player on my left, who was all-in. When the river came down, I showed him my hand (without tabling it) which he proceeded to break and throw on the floor before stalking out of the cardroom. Any idea what the ruling would have been if there had been a third player in at showdown?
Every cardroom is different, but presuming your ripped up cards were still retrievable from the floor, I'm sure they would have awarded the pot to you if you had the winning hand.

If there were a complaint from the third person or the cards were not retrievable, I would ask to open up the stub to show that the cards you claimed you had were not in the deck.

 12-11-2017, 01:53 AM #2265 AlwaysFolding masterbaker     Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Mr. H0rus' Steel Cage Match Posts: 12,403 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) ^Thinking man here.
 12-11-2017, 03:22 AM #2266 TheDarkKnight veteran   Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Gotham Posts: 2,053 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) I once pulled my winning hand out of the Muck - like it was touching the other dead cards - at showdown and the floor ruled it a live hand... ...@ Bellagio.
 12-11-2017, 11:16 AM #2267 jdr0317 Carpal \'Tunnel   Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 6,230 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) Got taken to value town by Bill Perkins yesterday. Brag / beat / variance?
 12-11-2017, 12:17 PM #2268 that_pope Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Casino AZ Posts: 25,967 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) 100% brag
12-11-2017, 01:56 PM   #2269
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by jdr0317 Got taken to value town by Bill Perkins yesterday. Brag / beat / variance?
tr plz

12-11-2017, 01:57 PM   #2270
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding tr plz

OL 109 tourney lol

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 12-11-2017, 01:59 PM #2271 AlwaysFolding masterbaker     Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Mr. H0rus' Steel Cage Match Posts: 12,403 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) sick tr would read again tbh
12-11-2017, 08:51 PM   #2272
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by wbatas You'll be good, Bob. But how crazy is it that bitcoin is at ~11k? When all you guys were talking about it a few years ago, I get frustrated thinking how I could've had some for dirt cheap. C'est la vie.
Yeah even in the last 5 days BTC and LTC have done ok. I like the names of some like PotCoin - idk why it keeps going down. It should just keep going higher and higher and higher I would think.

12-11-2017, 10:52 PM   #2273
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Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

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 Originally Posted by MacauBound idk why it keeps going down.
Same reason why Jet Li killed all his multiverse selfs in The One.

 12-11-2017, 11:24 PM #2274 MacauBound old hand   Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,592 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) I don't see myself having the time, but if I do, I'll buy some PotCoin, fire up a joint, and watch this movie
 12-16-2017, 01:27 PM #2275 leo doc Most interesting man on 2p2     Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not deserving of an undertitle Posts: 12,139 Re: 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) No posts itt in five days? Wassup with that? I'll break the silence with an "It's all about me post." So Jesse and I are doing our usual bi-weekly catch up texting. He's apparently out with two ladies last night and including them in our banter. My hip fracture progress comes up and I tell him it's kinda stalled because I've lost almost an inch of length in my left leg after the surgery. As you might imagine, this renders my unassisted ambulation very awkward (at best) and it looks like I'll be relegated to using a single crutch or cane for the foreseeable future. (Read that- til death do us part.) So, I ask him to poll his lady friends: Would you prefer to be with a guy that relies on a crutch or a cane? The vote was split. So my question to SSLHE: If you had to use one or the other when you're in polite society, which would you use? [ ] Crutch because you might get more sympathy points; or [ ] cane because House set the standard for a "doc with a disability." Minor brag: I got one of those 'Handicap' thingies to put on the vehicle's mirror so parking is decidedly more convenient now.

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