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2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread) 2017 ustakes NC, where the steaks are wafer thin (Low Content Thread)

12-04-2017 , 10:20 PM
It's actually a very good hand despite the ace removal, but I'm near the bubble and while unlikely, if someone does happen to have A2 with a wheel card or A2 and two broadways, I'm 18.2% to bust.
12-04-2017 , 10:32 PM
Are you serious? That's like wanting to fold AA preflop in NLHE because you're worried pocket fours might call.
12-04-2017 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
It's actually a very good hand despite the ace removal, but I'm near the bubble and while unlikely, if someone does happen to have A2 with a wheel card or A2 and two broadways, I'm 18.2% to bust.
Let's see... There's one ace left in the deck and three twos left in the deck, and then 16 broadway cards (we'll allow for pairs to simplify things). There are

1 * 3 * 16 * 15 = 720 ways to get those hands.

There are

48 * 47 * 46 * 45 / 4! = 194,580 possible combinations.

Individually, there's a 0.3% chance of that hand being out there. I'm pretty sure you're fine even if there are 7 other players at the table.
12-05-2017 , 04:19 AM
Played the Orleans 8/16 for awhile. Didn't notice many really terrible players, but you know what they say about not being able to spot the sucker. Actually there were some loose players pre, but they kept hitting boards on the river. In 3 hours I got my AA cracked, KK cracked, QQ cracked, and JJ cracked. Somehow managed to avoid getting TT dealt to me.
12-05-2017 , 06:05 PM
Hitting the river is an important skill to have, it's tough to beat.
12-05-2017 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Hitting the river is an important skill to have, it's tough to beat.
You know to avoid getting rivered?

Spoiler:
never be ahead on the turn
12-05-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Hitting the river is an important skill to have, it's tough to beat.
Any good coaching sites for that you can recommend?
12-05-2017 , 10:46 PM
Whoa, Wildcats in Talking Stick!
12-05-2017 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight
You don't really have much room to play flops with a 15 bb stack. Although I'm not sure if you should play this stack size differently in NLO8. I would jam AA here in NLHE against most fields - meaning I would have to be playing against total dolts to have a non-jamming opening range here.
Yeah, but there is one Ace left in the deck, so what is the calling range of an UTG open jam? I think having the deck crushed and offering 16:15, it's hard to get anyone to call. I think you need to have a pretty strong A3xx+ to call.
12-06-2017 , 12:56 AM
If your ev is near pot, Don’t think just jam imo. Put em in a position to make a big mistake.
12-06-2017 , 02:57 AM
9k? lol. I started lurking 2+2 exactly 10 years ago almost to the day. Didn't actually register until April of 2008 as Bob147, rip. Then the site got hacked and I had to register under a different name, naturally I chose Bob148. The years passed and I grew older. So technically this is my 9.914kth post, but who's counting anyways.

A decade later and I'm wondering what I could have done differently. Maybe I could have been as level headed as Cali or Doug. Maybe I could have been as frugal as Lawdude. Maybe I could have been as smart as Aaron. Maybe, but I wasn't; I'm not. A few years ago I read something that stuck with me:

"If you judge your success by your high point, you will be consistently miserable." -DougL

I've had to come to grips lately with the fact that I blew a great opportunity. About a year and a half ago, I had an awesome run on swcpoker, starting from a freeroll score and nothing more. At the high point, I was holding 6.3 bitcoins. I cashed out a bunch, because given my financial standing in real life, it just didn't make sense to have a huge chunk of my net worth online. So I cashed in a bunch and then I lost a bunch playing too high stakes and then the rest is history.

I had some good runs after that, but never got any higher than a total usd worth of $2k online, or about 4 coins that time. So naturally I'm kicking myself for a squandered opportunity. I keep going back to what Doug said above.

So I guess the point of this ramble is that you don't know what you got until it's gone, as the song goes.

cheers, hugs, thanks for everything. I'm gonna keep grinding hoping that I go on another run like I have in the past, but I gotta be realistic. It may never happen again. If it doesn't, well at least I had fun playing a silly game that I love.

9k yo. peace.
12-06-2017 , 03:13 AM
You'll be good, Bob. But how crazy is it that bitcoin is at ~11k?

When all you guys were talking about it a few years ago, I get frustrated thinking how I could've had some for dirt cheap. C'est la vie.
12-06-2017 , 03:15 AM
Oui. It's downright wacky imo.
12-06-2017 , 03:16 AM
In case you were wondering about how the UAE is. It's not as bad as you might think it is.

I've been told that people that moved here with their partner's, it had taken 10+ months to get just one interview. I was successful enough to get a position at this company called Wahed Invest where I officially accepted the offer as the Growth Marketing manager today. I got an offer within 2 months of moving here, and I'm super bummed that I can't just go to the gym and wander the city all day, but I guess this is good.
12-06-2017 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain R
Yeah, but there is one Ace left in the deck, so what is the calling range of an UTG open jam? I think having the deck crushed and offering 16:15, it's hard to get anyone to call. I think you need to have a pretty strong A3xx+ to call.
Like I said, I don't really know what adjustments you should be making for NLO8 compared to NLHE, but with 15 bigs in NLHE, you don't really have room to play flops and your chips are too valuable to raise-fold pre, which leaves you with jamming as your only really viable option. You can't really have a non-jamming range of super premium hands and jam everything else unless, like I said, you're playing against people that aren't paying any attention.
12-06-2017 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Oui. It's downright wacky imo.
Dutch Tulip Bubble, IMO.
12-06-2017 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight
Like I said, I don't really know what adjustments you should be making for NLO8 compared to NLHE, but with 15 bigs in NLHE, you don't really have room to play flops and your chips are too valuable to raise-fold pre, which leaves you with jamming as your only really viable option. You can't really have a non-jamming range of super premium hands and jam everything else unless, like I said, you're playing against people that aren't paying any attention.
why would we raisefold pre with aaa2?
12-06-2017 , 06:00 AM
You wouldn't. You would jam... like you should with your entire opening range.
12-06-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wbatas
You'll be good, Bob. But how crazy is it that bitcoin is at ~11k?

When all you guys were talking about it a few years ago, I get frustrated thinking how I could've had some for dirt cheap. C'est la vie.
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Oui. It's downright wacky imo.
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Dutch Tulip Bubble, IMO.
The price isn't as much of an issue as liquidity. Startup companies often face this when the stock has a high price but there's no trading volume. It's great to be a paper millionaire, but at the point where dumping your stock will affect the stock price, you have to price in a premium for cashing out.

Bitcoin is supposed to be a currency. Currency is supposed to be exchanged. If most of yhe people holding Bitcoin are investors, it's not going to work as a currency, and unless it's tied to something else (e.g., the USD to the stability of the US as a country), its price can't ve set by fundamentals (that is, Bitcoin can't be underpriced or overpriced).

I argue it's not going to work as a currency anyway because of a design flaw - capping the number of Bitcoins is designed to make for good press (because as the economy grows BTC/$ will naturally grow) but eventually runs into the problem of people wanting to exchange a loaf of bread for 0.000001 BTC. It was (and is) undoubtedly good for cryptocurrency in general by raising awareness, but it's unclear to me whether Bitcoin's historical legacy will be enough to offset a newly designed, more practical cryptocurrency.
12-06-2017 , 01:56 PM
Or someone cornering the market. It this has happened in wheat within the last decade. Small markets have potential issues.
12-06-2017 , 02:23 PM
Or someone accidentally deleting code, as just happened with Ethereum.

Or someone who runs an exchange running off with a bunch of untraceable assets, as happened with MtGox.

Or someone with enough computing power maliciously forking the blockchain for their own benefit, as will certainly happen if it hasn't already.

Bottom line is that you have to trust somebody - the US government, a corporation, an individual, etc. Poker chips are real currency between everyone who trusts in a casino. Cryptocurrency is an innovative way to make that trust more diffuse. But you're still trusting the bitcoin mining farm in China that's responsible for a huge percentage of the total mining.
12-06-2017 , 02:27 PM
Or every part could literally be awesome forever on the coin(s) you pick.
12-06-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
If your ev is near pot, Don’t think just jam imo. Put em in a position to make a big mistake.
Ya, I did jam it in there and got snapped by an aforementioned A2-wheel hand, took down 3/4ths. As Aaron nicely summarized with his work, there's like a 2.1% chance total that someone has a hand that can call and an 18% chance, given they call, I bust, so my bust rate is so small that not playing this hand would be a giant error. Even in NL, if you jam AA and get snapped by 99+/AQ+, there's a 26.9% chance those hands are out there and a 14.5% chance you'd bust given they are, so much much higher. And we'd almost always open jam AA at 14 bb regardless of ICM.
12-06-2017 , 03:54 PM
Depending on the steepness of the payouts, 1st place can be where the money is or cashing might be priority number one. Satellites are dumb to me. I’ve played some shootout games with 2 players from each of five tables made it to the final table. Those were the closest thing to a satellite structure. I much prefer to play for 1st place. Having all of the chips at the end is the best part.
12-06-2017 , 04:05 PM
So the question is how deep do we have to be to raise <15% of our stack? Throw in some antes because tourneys woo hoo and I’m shoving even wider.

      
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