grunching
Quote:
Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
4/8LHE, typical SSHE table
4 limpers and I have 76s on the button. I call.
SB folds, BB raises, all limpers call, I call.
depending on the blinds and tendencies of the limpers, i tend to raise this hand. it plays SUUUPER well multiway and you can earn a 4 card flop on unfavorable boards. you can also knock out the sb and/or rarely the bb putting in dead money in the pot. this 1/2 bet is almost always worth it. and ftr: i raise any suited 0gapper i'd play here down to 54s.
second, once the bb raises and everybody calls, you can CONSIDER 3b'ing; however, that's not advisable for the most part. if you can be extremely sure bb won't then auto-cap b/c your action is weird, then go ahead, but you don't want to put in 4bets here AND not get a 4 card flop as that really hurts your implied odds, which is what predominately drives the value of this hand.
Quote:
12sb. Flop comes JJ4 with 2 of my suit.
BB checks, one limper bets, 2 folds and the limper to my right raises.
I'm tempted to 3-bet to try to get them to check to me on the turn. If the flop wasn't paired it would be a no-brainer to 3-bet there, as the villains' actiions tell me they've each caught a piece of the flop, and the pieces are unlikely to be better flush draws.
At the table I was sure that the paired board reduced my equity but I wasn't sure by how much until I stoved it. It's actually significant. If I assume the BB folds to my 3-bet, one of the villains has a jack and the other has either a 4 or a pocket pair, I don't have anywhere near 33% equity.
So is this an easy fold?
no. i'd continue here and simply play the odds of the hand. the pot is pretty big now and 2 people have shown interest. the only hands you're really afraid of are 44 and J4. there's only 3 combos of 44 left and if somebody has a jack they almost surely do not have a 4. if this were JJT and it went bet raise raise then yea i'm tossing my flush draw (not sure if even then i toss it for 2 bets in this size pot).
Quote:
If the board were AJ4 with two of my suit, would the action and a history of the raiser being able to raise top pair make a 3-bet a no-brainer here?
no i don't think so. it depends on how big your flush draw is, how many players there are etc. if you have something like Q or K high then yea go ahead and 3b b/c you a) are unlikely to be outflushed, and b) can pick up more equity on the turn w/ a bd straight draw.
Quote:
EDIT: Just noticed the stove is wrong, it doesn't include all jacks or all 4s, but I when I re-did it it made only about a half percent difference in the equity.
26,540,788 games 12.563 secs 2,112,615 games/sec
Board: Js Jh 4s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.346% 22.35% 00.00% 5930939 0.00 { 7s6s }
Hand 1: 71.591% 71.48% 00.11% 18972326 28855.00 { JJ, J2s+, AJo, KJo, QJo }
Hand 2: 06.062% 05.95% 00.11% 1580169 28855.00 { 22+, 42s+, A4o, K4o, Q4o, J4o, T4o, 94o, 84o, 74o, 64o, 54o }
---
how in the world can hand 1 have J2s+? and no 44? and how can you be sure he doesn't have 55 or 66 or 77? your ranges here are very weird unless im missing something