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Old 03-22-2017, 12:28 PM   #1
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$2.20 HORSE - check or bet river with aces?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2000/t4000 Limit - 8 players - View hand 3040921
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BB: t24526 12.26 BBs
UTG: t37850 18.93 BBs
Hero (UTG+1): t39308 19.65 BBs
MP1: t17242 8.62 BBs
MP2: t11786 5.89 BBs
CO: t18018 9.01 BBs
BTN: t56339 28.17 BBs
SB: t18514 9.26 BBs

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) 8 Q Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB folds

Turn: (4.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River: (6.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

I think you can say I would bet my air but I raised UTG+1 so don't really have any. Even my ace highs are likely to be winning, counterfeiting a number of his paired hands. The only thing I am betting is my Qx and quad eights (i don't have an 8x hand in my range)
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Old 03-22-2017, 01:41 PM   #2
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I think you can say I would bet my air but I raised UTG+1 so don't really have any.
How would you have played AK or KJs up to this point? Are those betting the turn as well?

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The only thing I am betting is my Qx and quad eights (i don't have an 8x hand in my range)
I might think about betting KJs here to balance the range, though it probably doesn't matter.
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How would you have played AK or KJs up to this point? Are those betting the turn as well?



I might think about betting KJs here to balance the range, though it probably doesn't matter.
I would have bet both for value.

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I would have bet both for value.

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Or to not give a free card.

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I think you can say I would bet my air but I raised UTG+1 so don't really have any.
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I would have bet both [on the turn] for value.
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Or to not give a free card.
So in this situation, you're betting the turn 100%?
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:57 PM   #6
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So in this situation, you're betting the turn 100%?
I don't see why not. Nothing gives me any reason to think I am behind with any of the hands I have in my range.

Though I don't really have any king highs from this position, its basically AJs+ and 88+. I don't really like playing KTs, KJs or KQs except from MP2 and later.

Any "bluff" i have is ace high, and that's winning a lot anyway
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I don't see why not. Nothing gives me any reason to think I am behind with any of the hands I have in my range.
What do you think villain is calling with on the flop?

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Though I don't really have any king highs from this position, its basically AJs+ and 88+.
Not even AKo/AQo?

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I don't really like playing KTs, KJs or KQs except from MP2 and later.
This seems a little too tight to me. Actually, it seems quite tight to me.

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Any "bluff" i have is ace high, and that's winning a lot anyway
I'm not as sure about that as you appear to be.
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What do you think villain is calling with on the flop?
Potentially as wide as Ax, Qx, 8x, T9, TJ, KJ, KT, pocket pairs.

I don't know the player so can't really say for sure.

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Not even AKo/AQo?
By AJs+ I mean AJs or better, which includes AK/AQ off suit

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This seems a little too tight to me. Actually, it seems quite tight to me.
Specific to tournament play for me, also specific to the dynamics in this particular tournament. I don't make small pairs and ace rags fold so easily like i might in a higher buyin tournament. I would play those hands in a cash game, but in this particular comp you get stationed pretty hard so you have to show them a hand and too often the good Kx hands don't quite have enough strength to win unimproved.

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I'm not as sure about that as you appear to be.
he has more A9, AT, AJ than AK or AQ (didnt 3 bet pre), obv i beat those ace highs the times i have ace high, but he probably lets them go on the turn

once he calls turn then i probably end up adopting a check fold policy with my non pair+ hands on blank rivers, assuming he checks back river with showdown value with hands i beat that he thought good enough to call turn

in this particular hand i probably end up calling ace high on the double paired river because he doesn't look like he has a lot of full houses and i suspect the absolute top of his range is jacks which somehow did not 3 bet me pre or raise flop. IMO he's capped since he did not raise pre or on flop or turn. it's possible, but not enough to justify folding the river imo. he just has too many 22-77s that will have to bet to win the pot because they can't win at showdown. probably a suicidal bet vs an utg raiser though.

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Old 03-24-2017, 01:40 AM   #9
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TY for sticking with me here, appreciate it.
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Potentially as wide as Ax, Qx, 8x, T9, TJ, KJ, KT, pocket pairs.

I don't know the player so can't really say for sure.
Maybe we should take a step back. What are you assuming at the moment of the preflop coldcall?

If you're not sure, think about two ranges. One that you think is a little too loose and one that you think is a little too tight. Then see how your strategy stacks up against them both. That will help you to asses your situation better.

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By AJs+ I mean AJs or better, which includes AK/AQ off suit
You should be more clear, as A7s+ doesn't always mean you're playing A8o.

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Specific to tournament play for me, also specific to the dynamics in this particular tournament. I don't make small pairs and ace rags fold so easily like i might in a higher buyin tournament. I would play those hands in a cash game, but in this particular comp you get stationed pretty hard so you have to show them a hand and too often the good Kx hands don't quite have enough strength to win unimproved.
So you're suggesting that when players call more, hands like KQs go down in value? I think that's wrong. KQs is plenty strong HU or multiway. You're throwing away quite a bit of value there.

Also, this seems to suggest that you think pocket pairs aren't folding that much, period. In a HU pot, I don't mind 22 coldcalling. Unless he's super good (which, if he's coldcalling 22 preflop, he's not), he's going to hate most of the flops, turns, and rivers that come. It takes something to show up on the river with 22 if there are bets going in on the other streets.

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once he calls turn then i probably end up adopting a check fold policy with my non pair+ hands on blank rivers, assuming he checks back river with showdown value with hands i beat that he thought good enough to call turn
You're assuming that the player is bad enough to coldcall preflop with T9. Tell me how this assumption fits in with your perception of his ability to determine what hands to check the river.

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in this particular hand i probably end up calling ace high on the double paired river because he doesn't look like he has a lot of full houses and i suspect the absolute top of his range is jacks which somehow did not 3 bet me pre or raise flop. IMO he's capped since he did not raise pre or on flop or turn. it's possible, but not enough to justify folding the river imo. he just has too many 22-77s that will have to bet to win the pot because they can't win at showdown.
How often is 77-22 getting the river? What other hands do you think get to the river?

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probably a suicidal bet vs an utg raiser though.
Maybe. But I'd never be in that position in the first place, so I wouldn't really have this decision to worry about.

Overall, I think because your preflop range is so tight, there's not a lot you can do with your range in this situation. I think my primary challenge to you is to reconsider your preflop range. You should probably open it up a bit.
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