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15/30 - two similar 3b hands vs BN 15/30 - two similar 3b hands vs BN

11-07-2017 , 09:03 PM
Hand 1:

BN open raises, I 3b AJ from SB, BN calls

HU, 7 SB: Q64
I bet, BN raises. Best play?

Hand 2:

EP2 open limps as he generally does, BN raises (different guy from hand 1), I 3b AT from BB hoping to get HU v BN but both call.

BN is generally agro pre but passive post. He typically comes in raising and has shown a wide(r) range even from EP but has been limping in lately. EP2 is a station.

3-way, 9.5 SB: Q86
I x planning to xf.

Thoughts?
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11-08-2017 , 12:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DTLB
Hand 1:

BN open raises, I 3b AJ from SB, BN calls

HU, 7 SB: Q64
I bet, BN raises. Best play?

Hand 2:

EP2 open limps as he generally does, BN raises (different guy from hand 1), I 3b AT from BB hoping to get HU v BN but both call.

BN is generally agro pre but passive post. He typically comes in raising and has shown a wide(r) range even from EP but has been limping in lately. EP2 is a station.

3-way, 9.5 SB: Q86
I x planning to xf.

Thoughts?
Hand 1: depends, some buttons, I will pitch this right away. My standard is to see what rolls off on the turn

Hand 2: not folding for a single bet on this board ever. Notice both a 9 and a J makes you double gutted? A 7 gives you a gutshot and two overs to second pair, a king gives you a Broadway draw, and an A and a T give you pairs that might be good (the ace more often). I can see plenty of merit in checking and calling a bet, or betting and calling a raise, but I can't see giving this one up for one bet.
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11-08-2017 , 03:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DTLB
EP2 open limps as he generally does, BN raises (different guy from hand 1), I 3b AT from BB hoping to get HU v BN but both call.
Does this ever happen nowadays? It doesn't online.
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11-08-2017 , 11:52 AM
1) I'd call the flop raise and reevaluate the turn.

2) I'd call preflop. As played I'd check call the flop for one and check fold for two.
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11-08-2017 , 05:46 PM
Hand 1 I would generally call down unless a diamond or ugly cards come.

Hand 2 I wouldn't fold the flop since you have the Th. Small factor but probably a good tiebreaker in this spot.
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11-08-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rooksx
Does this ever happen nowadays? It doesn't online.
Certain players will get sloppy and start limping along with each other with actual garbage hands. In these situations you will sometimes see a chain reaction of folds and be left with the 2-3 players who did the raising.
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11-08-2017 , 06:57 PM
In hand 1 if youre going to bet fold, isnt check call a better play? Im not the most aggressive guy in the world but if i see someone bet folding flops i start attacking them.
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11-08-2017 , 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooksx
Does this ever happen nowadays? It doesn't online.
Well if I don't 3b then I give him 5:1 to call while closing the action, which is not good for me. So by 3betting I at least give him the chance to fold and if he wants to call then that's ok too because my hand is ahead of his limping range so he's putting in more money while behind.
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11-09-2017 , 06:53 PM
Don't fold
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11-11-2017 , 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DTLB
Well if I don't 3b then I give him 5:1 to call while closing the action, which is not good for me. So by 3betting I at least give him the chance to fold and if he wants to call then that's ok too because my hand is ahead of his limping range so he's putting in more money while behind.
It takes extremely unlikely anyone will limp fold to a button raise and big blind 3-bet. You are better off assuming villain never folds and your 3-bet is for value. Live, I know 2-3 people who do the limp with a marginal hand (weak ace, small pocket pair, mid suited connect) and fold if raised and 3-bet.

Hand 1 my default is to b/c the flop when I 3-bet pre. You'll need to break down what villain's raising range is. This board is not too dynamic as the hands that beat you include pps and Qx. Let's discount button raising with lows cards. If villain is capable of raising his flush draws, or less than qx, then I'm more showdown bound.

Hand 2. Your flop donk check range in similar spots should be non-existent so you're probably 3-betting too wide if you feel you need to x/f.
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12-14-2017 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by samdash
Hand 1 I would generally call down unless a diamond or ugly cards come.

Hand 2 I wouldn't fold the flop since you have the Th. Small factor but probably a good tiebreaker in this spot.
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