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Old 02-22-2012, 03:04 AM   #1
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15/30 live: I have all the spades.

BTN is a loose-passive reg who thinks I'm pofessional. We have lots of history at 6/12.

UTG is a loose reg who's more aggressive than the rest. He likes me and may respect me but thinks I'm a little psycho.

UTG limps, UTG+2 limps, MP1 limps, MP2 limps, I limp 97 from the CO and I'm not entertaining any notions of folding this. BTN limps, SB calls, BB raises, and the SB folds after everyone else calls.

Flop [14.7 SB]: 985

BB bets, UTG raises, fold, fold, fold, I 3-bet (?), BTN caps (!), BB calls, UTG calls, I call.

Turn [13.3 BB]: 6

check, check, check, BTN bets, BB calls, UTG calls, I raise, BTN 3-bets (!!), BB sighs and folds, UTG calls, and I cap (??).

I figure I have zero AH cards, my flush outs are all good, there's still some small possibility that I chop with BTN, and I have 2 outs to chop with T7.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:05 AM   #2
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

raise pf!

flop seems fine

turn seems fine
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:13 AM   #3
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

I would just call the turn 3-bet. This is predicated on button being able to realize that you have a 7+, and that you are either free-rolling him or have him drawing dead. So he really should not be 3-betting the turn with a lone 7.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:55 AM   #4
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

loose passives 3betting this turn is kind of scary, but then again its hard to put him on too many hands. does a loose passive cold cap the flop with 107?

vs villains who will check back a scary turn card like this a high frequency, i like a turn donk, too.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:39 AM   #5
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

bbb,

why do you think calli should raise pf?
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:53 AM   #6
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

valuewise it's somewhat between neutral and +ev, plus the value of getting the button is tangible, plus it gives us more flexibility on the flop (more likely to be checked to the pfr)
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:16 AM   #7
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

i would bet the turn, i don't want bn to check behind. as played, cap the turn to make utg pay the maximum with whatever he has then check the river if it doesn't come a spade
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:13 AM   #8
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valuewise it's somewhat between neutral and +ev, plus the value of getting the button is tangible, plus it gives us more flexibility on the flop (more likely to be checked to the pfr)
All this combined with their preflop aggression levels. If they limp strong ranges that include QQ-, AJ-, etc, then limping is my play, but if they're at all aggressive I make 97s the bottom of my late position raising range.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:02 PM   #9
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

Nh buddy.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:15 PM   #10
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i would bet the turn, i don't want bn to check behind. as played, cap the turn to make utg pay the maximum with whatever he has then check the river if it doesn't come a spade
Yeah agree with bet turn. As played cap it up on the turn seriously. Also raise both times preflop.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:22 PM   #11
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

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I lead the turn
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:22 PM   #12
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

u and btn showed enough aggression on flop that i dont think it
matters who starts the turn action,but just to make sure it doesnt
k thru i think u lead

im caught between call and raise turn 3bet
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:36 PM   #13
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

Come on guys if there was a 5 bet cap we could MAYBE not 4 bet the turn....
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:23 PM   #14
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i would bet the turn, i don't want bn to check behind. as played, cap the turn to make utg pay the maximum with whatever he has then check the river if it doesn't come a spade
Whoah, I didn't even think about checking the river. OK, I'm on board with capping the turn then.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:14 PM   #15
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Whoah, I didn't even think about checking the river. OK, I'm on board with capping the turn then.
Bakku also monster of the midway
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:28 PM   #16
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Come on guys if there was a 5 bet cap we could MAYBE not 4 bet the turn....
good point
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:00 PM   #17
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

*G*

Hey callip. nh imo.
Only spot I'm not sure about is flop 3bet; that one's close. BTN plays a lot like a flopped set (or maybe an overzealous overpair???). Since basically only one hand to fear (and I'm having trouble seeing passive player capping that on flop), I think turn cap is pretty standard.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:28 PM   #18
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

Can anyone voting in favour of the flop 3bet justify it? We have an unknown who raised out of the BB leading out and another loose player raising. We're getting 9:1 immediate with say 5 outs, so maybe we can call, though BB may 3bet and hurt our odds. This seems like one of those spots that should be a call or fold, but uncertainty about what to do leads us to raise.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:24 AM   #19
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

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BTN is a loose-passive reg who thinks I'm pofessional. We have lots of history at 6/12.

UTG is a loose reg who's more aggressive than the rest. He likes me and may respect me but thinks I'm a little psycho.

UTG limps, UTG+2 limps, MP1 limps, MP2 limps, I limp 97 from the CO and I'm not entertaining any notions of folding this. BTN limps, SB calls, BB raises, and the SB folds after everyone else calls.

Flop [14.7 SB]: 985

BB bets, UTG raises, fold, fold, fold, I 3-bet (?), BTN caps (!), BB calls, UTG calls, I call.

Turn [13.3 BB]: 6

check, check, check, BTN bets, BB calls, UTG calls, I raise, BTN 3-bets (!!), BB sighs and folds, UTG calls, and I cap (??).

I figure I have zero AH cards, my flush outs are all good, there's still some small possibility that I chop with BTN, and I have 2 outs to chop with T7.
grunch

I'd prob just call otf (def NOT folding). I would donk OTT. As played I like the cap.
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:03 AM   #20
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How passive is the BTN? Can he be limping all the sets or TT-QQ OTB? I'd agree that this hand looks an awful lot like 55 or 88, and hell, you have at least two outs to the stones in a huge pot. Is this villain ever, ever capping T7 OTF?

Pile and flip the table over when the board pairs.

ETA: Unless the board pairs with the 5s. If that happens, slow roll them one card at a time and then moonwalk around the poker room.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:26 PM   #21
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

grunch: I'd coldcall the flop, 3betting doesn't serve to accomplish much IMO. I'd 4bet the turn given we have equity against the nuts, and the 3rd player could be tagging along with a wide range. Betting a brick river is a lot closer.

Just run good and river a straight flush.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #22
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Sorry, misread board

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:25 PM   #23
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

I'd raise PF the first time. You have a lot of options with this drawing hand if you're able to get the button. The second time around, I really like a raise because 8 players are already in.

As played, on the flop, I think 3 betting is best. I hope button folds and the rest call and probably check through a lot of turns. Any opinions on that plan? Button capping sucks, but there's always the turn, right?

OTT, I think button checks this through a lot, so I'm just betting. I don't think of it as a donk since you raised and then called a cap. Betting doesn't expose your hand as much as a C/R. I definitely cap.
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Old 02-25-2012, 06:06 PM   #24
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Re: 15/30 live: I have all the spades.

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How passive is the BTN? Can he be limping all the sets or TT-QQ OTB? I'd agree that this hand looks an awful lot like 55 or 88, and hell, you have at least two outs to the stones in a huge pot. Is this villain ever, ever capping T7 OTF?
Villain is 15/30 loose-passive, not 3/6 loose-passive. He'd have raised TT+ preflop. A lot of people like to slowplay flopped sets in this position, cold-calling 3 and expert raising the turn, but given the action, I think he'd have capped with a set. He would definitely cap the flop with T7.
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Old 02-25-2012, 06:17 PM   #25
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and the SB folds after everyone else calls.
lol

I was once involved in a hand online where sb made the same type of fold except that bb raised all-in for way less than a SB and sb was getting something like 100-1.
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