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03-17-2018 , 06:44 AM
Kinda flabbergasted by this hand I just played, what do.

EP opens and I 3bet KK in the lojack, SB cold 4bets and we both call.

Flop Q24 with two hearts, I don't have the king of hearts and I'm somehow in a weird spot because the sb leads and he's quite literally the tightest player I've ever played with. EP calls and I can't find my fold button or my raise button. Turn is an offsuit 5 and EP leads again, EP calls I call. River 2 and sb leads, EP raises. I tank and wtf, call?
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03-17-2018 , 09:50 AM
How big of a sample size is your read on SB? I've made some "big" laydowns against certain players. However, it's not something I would post on the forum because only I could know if it was the correct play or not.

What's your read of EP? Does it look like SB is going to fold? Call? Raise?

I don't mind just calling down from the flop if you don't feel great about your hand but think there's a chance you're good. Notice that you have underrept your hand by the time the river hits. I think it's a call. If you were to get away it would have to be earlier in the hand.
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03-17-2018 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by lllusionist
Kinda flabbergasted by this hand I just played, what do.

EP opens and I 3bet KK in the lojack, SB cold 4bets and we both call.

Flop Q24 with two hearts, I don't have the king of hearts and I'm somehow in a weird spot because the sb leads and he's quite literally the tightest player I've ever played with. EP calls and I can't find my fold button or my raise button. Turn is an offsuit 5 and EP leads again, EP calls I call. River 2 and sb leads, EP raises. I tank and wtf, call?
Pay it off. It's entirely possible that EP is saying to himself, "I improved to two pair!" with his AQ or whatever. I've also seen players that were in calldown mode wake up to try to make a play on a paired board. Weird things happen, and be glad that this isn't no limit when you're making this decision.
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03-17-2018 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lllusionist
Kinda flabbergasted by this hand I just played, what do.

EP opens and I 3bet KK in the lojack, SB cold 4bets and we both call.

Flop Q24 with two hearts, I don't have the king of hearts and I'm somehow in a weird spot because the sb leads and he's quite literally the tightest player I've ever played with. EP calls and I can't find my fold button or my raise button. Turn is an offsuit 5 and EP leads again, EP calls I call. River 2 and sb leads, EP raises. I tank and wtf, call?
Would raise turn unless your read is that SB 4 bet range is exclusively KK-AA only with KK potentially not being in the range.

Would call river as played
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03-18-2018 , 06:25 PM
Just buy the tilt insurance.
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03-19-2018 , 12:50 AM
I mean the standard would be to raise at some point in the hand, and if raising is incorrect against this opponent, I'd go as far as saying that we can't really help you in this exact spot. Plenty of people who aren't aware of their image or how others may adjust to them may still go bet bet bet with jacks here, for example.
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03-24-2018 , 02:12 AM
I’d fold river. I actually think EP has something stupid quite a lot, but if SB is that tight you really don’t beat anything here. Sometimes they both have AQ and you feel like an idiot but that is such a parlay.
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03-24-2018 , 11:18 AM
What EP thinks of SB is relevant. I wouldn't discount EP having QQ and putting SB on KK+.

Also, you should raise somewhere before the river. I would have done it on the flop and called down a 3-bet.
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03-26-2018 , 06:42 AM
Results :
Spoiler:
I call, EP has A2hh, sb calls and doesn't show, I feel like he has AQs a lot of the time after seeing him play for an extended period of time.
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03-26-2018 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lllusionist
I feel like [SB] has AQs a lot of the time after seeing him play for an extended period of time.
How often is "a lot of the time" here? Based on the results, there are only 2 or 3 combos of AQs depending on the suit of the queen on the board, but there are 6 combos of AA and 1 combo of KK.

This conclusion seems unwarranted.
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03-26-2018 , 11:16 PM
Yeah I think it's unwarranted as well now. I don't think AQo is in his cold cap range. I think I'm in third place at the river. Also there's... 3 combos of AA? EP has A2hh. This post feels more like a bad beat story lol I'll try to Branch out.

I'm logging hand histories looking for leaks and it looks more like a bad beat journal, is there a place I can put this in a longer format and get suggestions? I log probably 30 hands a night, it might be a mental leak that I keep track of losing hands more often than my winning ones.

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03-27-2018 , 06:26 PM
If your read on SB is correct , tightest guy you ever played with lol...he has AA or QQ's, EP has a 2...right? Honestly, based on your read you could have folded flop! He's not 4betting anything other than a big pair..MAAAAYBE AK, but he doesn't lead AK on flop...you can pray he has kings lol...
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03-31-2018 , 06:01 AM
I didn’t know Illusionist was a local until tonight but SB is The Invisible Man from my blog. He was running at 13.7 VPIP and 1.8 PFR over 450 hands when I was tracking with the app. A cold four bet from the SB when we have KK is basically **** City. Like, he doesn’t raise QQ here. Ever. Super easy fold on river and I think I would just call down against this particular player postflop - and I would hate it.


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