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Old 03-08-2006, 09:01 AM   #51
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Re: Free Party Hand Grabber v0.01 available

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i have a lot of respect for you for putting in the time and not charging (yet anyway) for your hard work.
Seems unlikely he'll try charging later. For one thing, this has become such a moral debate, it'd be a stretch for Juk to say "I've abandonded my faith. Gimme $50."

For another, he already released the source.
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:05 AM   #52
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Re: FPHG v0.01 available

Thanks. Just bought PokerAce, but with just a few hands on each player (25-100 hands), the statistics becomes misleading. This will help.

I understood half of the iWitness thing, i will read the thread...

And again I praise the fact it´s free. To many is trying to make money of the moneymakers...
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:36 AM   #53
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:49 AM   #54
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i have a lot of respect for you for putting in the time and not charging (yet anyway) for your hard work.
Seems unlikely he'll try charging later. For one thing, this has become such a moral debate, it'd be a stretch for Juk to say "I've abandonded my faith. Gimme $50."
Yes, I can say pretty much categorically I won't be charging for this or anything else. My background is CompSci+AI, and the nearest I ever got to commercial programming is working in academia on AI projects sponsored by corporations (even this went against the grain for me and I eventually left and went into teaching).

I don't think any of the little projects I have shared here have taken much more than a couple of days to code up, and I think all the info I read here on 2+2 has helped me alot more and saved me much more time than the projects took themselves!

I don't post often in any of the strategy forums, but I did lurk for along time. Hopefully this repays the info people have shared here with me, as they too haven't done so for gain, but for the same reasons as I have shared my projects. Hopefully my philosophy might rub off on a few others and more free projects will start up in future.

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For another, he already released the source.
Yep, I can't really see any way this source can be misused badly, and if I can I will always give away the source in the hope that somebody may improve on it. The DollarToBB thing is a bit different, as this could be misused possibly to make 'nasties'. Also this project is clearly 'grey' and it may very well get banned/blocked eventually, and not releasing the source won't change this fact, whereas keeping the DollarToBB stuff closed increases the chance of the project staying alive!

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Old 03-08-2006, 10:54 AM   #55
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Re: Free Party Hand Grabber v0.01 available

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It's late and I'm done playing for the night so will wait til tomorrow to try this out. I too got the "corrupt file" thing with Firefox and downloaded with IE.
I have managed to forward my domain name and re-host another copy here. Hopefully this wont have the same problems as my free host!

If you still get problems then just email me and I will send a copy.

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For what it's worth, I think you have done exactly the right thing. From the bottom of my anarchist heart I thank you for reinforcing a bit of my faith in the true nature of the human animal.
Ty, I kinda expected a lot of mixed feelings, but it wasn't as thought I did something which wasn't already in circulation - all I did was make it free.

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Old 03-08-2006, 10:59 AM   #56
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is there a way to auto import the .hhf files that get saved?
Of course. Just do the same steps you did a month ago, only now open FPHG first.

Juk's app only makes the new Party more like the old Party. That's all.
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Adde has written down the steps needed here.

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Old 03-08-2006, 11:00 AM   #57
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Thanks! (I haven't used PT for quite a while, so wasn't sure if they changed something in it since the update)

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Old 03-08-2006, 11:05 AM   #58
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I agree and am not sure on how they will take this (see here).

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Old 03-08-2006, 11:22 AM   #59
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Has the side pot bug caused any problems?

I am not sure if this has effected anybody yet, but there is a known bug which causes the end of hands to get missed if there was a side-pot.

The reason for this is that I use " wins .*\n\0" as my terminating expression and sometimes I see a hand which it has not quite finished writing the text for, and their are still other side-pots after. The code does have the ability to append this bit if is sees a HH has grown, but under times of high CPU load, a new HH can be written over the original before you see this appended data.

Does anybody know if PT actually uses the allocated winnings for its calculations (possibly for rake?). It seem to import them fine for me, but not sure if this could slightly skew stats like W$SD?

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Old 03-08-2006, 11:25 AM   #60
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Does anybody know if PT actually uses the allocated winnings for its calculations (possibly for rake?).
As far as I know it ignores side pots for rake calculations.
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Old 03-08-2006, 11:28 AM   #61
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Re: Has the side pot bug caused any problems?

Thanks, was just wondering if this might have some strange effects. Eventually I will try to replay some of these messed up hands and see if they make any difference.

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Old 03-08-2006, 02:27 PM   #62
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Re: Free Party Hand Grabber v0.01 available

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i have a lot of respect for you for putting in the time and not charging (yet anyway) for your hard work.
Seems unlikely he'll try charging later. For one thing, this has become such a moral debate, it'd be a stretch for Juk to say "I've abandonded my faith. Gimme $50."

For another, he already released the source.
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yeah i edited that in in case he did decide to charge. i didn't want to go say i had tons of respect for him for doing all this stuff for us and make him feel guilty if he had intentions of charging. he should charge. the fact that he doesn't is very respectable.
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:04 PM   #63
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Re: Free Party Hand Grabber v0.01 available

for those of us that are slightly ******ed with this type of thing,I've never worked w/scripts ever.

We download AutoHotKey and paste in the latest script?? is that right..

Can someone provide an quick step by step way to make this functional.
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:19 PM   #64
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(1) Download and install Autohotkey.

(2) Right-click desktop (or whatever location on your disk), choose New > Autohotkey Script.

(3) Right-click file, choose Edit Script.

(4) Paste in whatever script, save and close.

(5) Double-click file to run script.

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Old 03-08-2006, 03:26 PM   #65
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thank you very much sir
appreciate it



holy crap pasted it in and converted it to the exe on the first go ty
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:28 PM   #66
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Re: Free Party Hand Grabber v0.01 available

hi,
great program and thanks for releasing it for free.
I'm having some problems with it missing a lot of hands (~50%), which I think is due to having an old computer (p2-266). cpu usage is continuely at 100%. I've tried messing around with the process priority and delay settings, but haven't been able to get it working much better (tried increasing and decreasing both of these). Do you have any suggestions for improving it, or is my computer just too slow?

Thanks!
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:40 PM   #67
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And again I praise the fact it´s free. To many is trying to make money of the moneymakers...
People aren't evil or wrong for trying to make money off their work. I worked on PA Hud full time for five months before charging. I regularly put in 40+ hours a week on support and development. There is no way I could've continued working on it if I wasn't making a little money with it.
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:51 PM   #68
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People aren't evil or wrong for trying to make money off their work. I worked on PA Hud full time for five months before charging. I regularly put in 40+ hours a week on support and development. There is no way I could've continued working on it if I wasn't making a little money with it.
I bolded the important parts. I think Juk objected to the $50 pricetag on the day of coding for PHT, when Pokerace costs half that. (I PAHud.)
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:51 PM   #69
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Re: Free Party Hand Grabber v0.01 available

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I'm having some problems with it missing a lot of hands (~50%), which I think is due to having an old computer (p2-266). cpu usage is continuely at 100%. I've tried messing around with the process priority and delay settings, but haven't been able to get it working much better (tried increasing and decreasing both of these). Do you have any suggestions for improving it, or is my computer just too slow?
Yes, the way it works then it is likely to miss hands if system is old or is under strain and altering the delay or the priority wont help if its just running out of cycles. It may be possible to look for memory segments which have a certain 'footprint' (address range, size, read/write access, ...); meaning not all memory is polled continuously, but I haven't looked into this much yet.

I just don't want to spend ages on this, if eventually it gets banned or blocked, but if I get time then I will look into this, as even on my system (1.4GHz/512MB which is fairly old by today's standards) it eats alot of CPU time.

I would try making sure all windows are minimized/off-screen and possibly try to reduce the graphics load as much as possible (possibly try using 16/8bit colour while mining).

If I can think of any other ideas that may help I will post back

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Old 03-08-2006, 03:57 PM   #70
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I don't think anyone was referring to you (or to PT Pat) when they talked about moneygrubbers and windfall profiteering.

Most of us recognize that your projects are much more complex, not something that was knocked out in a few hours, and that ongoing support is expensive and time consuming. Rest assured that your pricing is not the subject of this debate.
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People aren't evil or wrong for trying to make money off their work. I worked on PA Hud full time for five months before charging. I regularly put in 40+ hours a week on support and development. There is no way I could've continued working on it if I wasn't making a little money with it.
I bolded the important parts. I think Juk objected to the $50 pricetag on the day of coding for PHT, when Pokerace costs half that. (I PAHud.)
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I think this thread got lost in the discussion:

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I agree that people should be able to make $ from their software if they so wish, and that the efficient market hypothesis should be the deciding factor on pricing: I have seen poker software selling for 1/2 of this which have obviously had many 100's of man hours going into them, and these are the projects I would like to see succeed, and would happily buy myself. These would be a major bit of software engineering for anybody to undertake.
Sorry if I came across as being a hater of all payware software, as I am not! It was just the author tried to claim it was some huge undertaking to grab some memory and dump it to disk (and then try to charge 2x more than PAHUD for about 1% of the man hours).

Hope this clears things up - Juk
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And again I praise the fact it´s free. To many is trying to make money of the moneymakers...
People aren't evil or wrong for trying to make money off their work. I worked on PA Hud full time for five months before charging. I regularly put in 40+ hours a week on support and development. There is no way I could've continued working on it if I wasn't making a little money with it.
Poker Ace is great, I appreciate the work you put into it, and I'm sure everyone else does, also I would have happily paid substantially more for it. Same goes for Poker Tracker, these utilites have been well worth the money many times over.

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:30 PM   #73
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Juk, whatever you think about charging, I think you should set up a donation service (however that is done). I would be first in line.

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:31 PM   #74
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HA HA HA.

Excellent work and good coding. Much respect for freeware. Even more respect for not changing your name and also not charging ABSOLUTELY CRAZY PRICES for a fairly quick project to put together.

Its good to see their are two footballs in the playground that people can play ball with. I always hated the kid with the ONLY football in the play ground who thought he had so much power.

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:32 PM   #75
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Sorry if I came across as being a hater of all payware software, as I am not! It was just the author tried to claim it was some huge undertaking to grab some memory and dump it to disk (and then try to charge 2x more than PAHUD for about 1% of the man hours).
PHT does more than just dump some memory to disk and it did cost me a lot of time to get it done without missing too many hands and without killing the CPU in the process. Reading that memory is just the beginning and getting a user friendly product with different options for different users is another thing. Hats down to PokerAce, I cannot compare myself to his eforts. Congrats to you Juk for your proof of concept, as I said I have nothing against competition. However I do have the bad habit of putting value on my work and not giving it away for free.
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