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Old 03-25-2006, 05:08 PM   #226
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thanks for this.. i installed empire and make a handhistory/username folder with a fake username and am putting the files in there.. should that be fine?

EDIT: it won't work with the "force import" however i can put them in manually. i think this is because it's not .txt.
I think the problem you are having here is that you have installed it into the hand history folder.

To get Poker Tracker to work as though you were using the old .hhf files, you should run FPHG from within the same folder as EmpirePoker.exe ('C:\Program Files\EmpirePoker' NOT 'C:\Program Files\EmpirePoker\HandHistory').

You then simply have to point Poker tracker at the EmpirePoker.exe and use the 'lightning bolt' option to import the hand histories as .hhf files, and not as .txt files.

.hhf = observed hands
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PS: in the next version of FPHG, I hope to add some kind of fake EmpirePoker installation to go along with FPHG (hopefully this will clear up a lot of the confusion - I am sorry about this, as I do not use Poker Tracker myself anymore and did not foresee these problems...)
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Old 03-25-2006, 05:43 PM   #227
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Helpfully after the weekend when I get more time, I am going to try to update and optimise FPHG (I have spent no time as of yet trying to optimise the code, so there is likely a lot that can be done to speed things up).
Yeah, I wasn't quite thinking...But any optimization would be most excellent and appreciated.
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Old 03-25-2006, 07:28 PM   #228
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Re: Another PM possibly relevant to others so posted here

the lightning bolt is the auto-import with the timer and force import, which i was doing in the first place.

then i selected the handhistory/username folder under add folder for empire poker, and i have it set to the .exe file for empire under program file locations.

then i moved the hhf file to the empirepoker/handhistory/username folder and did force import, didn't get anything.

the program is being run from the empirepoker main folder.

the problem is the lightning bolt refers to text files specially not hand history files. that's why i had to do manual import, it's the only thing that lets me select non text files.

ive' also tried auto import party and affiliates which mentions observed hands but also doesn't do it.
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Old 03-25-2006, 07:57 PM   #229
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the lightning bolt is the auto-import with the timer and force import, which i was doing in the first place.

then i selected the handhistory/username folder under add folder for empire poker, and i have it set to the .exe file for empire under program file locations.

then i moved the hhf file to the empirepoker/handhistory/username folder and did force import, didn't get anything.

the program is being run from the empirepoker main folder.

the problem is the lightning bolt refers to text files specially not hand history files. that's why i had to do manual import, it's the only thing that lets me select non text files.

ive' also tried auto import party and affiliates which mentions observed hands but also doesn't do it.
That doesn't make sense -- the lightning bolt is the auto-import, but within that window there's ANOTHER window that will let you configure your import of observed hands (HHF files) -- sounds to me like you have the "do NOT import observed hands at this time" checkbox checked.
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Old 03-25-2006, 08:27 PM   #230
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then i moved the hhf file to the empirepoker/handhistory/username folder and did force import, didn't get anything.
Observed .hhf files were never saved to the 'empirepoker/handhistory/username' folder (this is what I was trying to say in the lst post ). They were just saved into the top level folder where EmpirePoker.exe is.

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the lightning bolt is the auto-import with the timer and force import, which i was doing in the first place.

then i selected the handhistory/username folder under add folder for empire poker, and i have it set to the .exe file for empire under program file locations.

then i moved the hhf file to the empirepoker/handhistory/username folder and did force import, didn't get anything.

the program is being run from the empirepoker main folder.

the problem is the lightning bolt refers to text files specially not hand history files. that's why i had to do manual import, it's the only thing that lets me select non text files.

ive' also tried auto import party and affiliates which mentions observed hands but also doesn't do it.
That doesn't make sense -- the lightning bolt is the auto-import, but within that window there's ANOTHER window that will let you configure your import of observed hands (HHF files) -- sounds to me like you have the "do NOT import observed hands at this time" checkbox checked.
Teddy is right here too, to import observed hand histories you have to use the 'other' option screen which he mentions (you point PT at 'partypoker/handhistory/username' for importing your own hands [which is where Party still writes them to], and you also point PT at 'empirepoker/' to import observed hands which FPHG creates [assuming you are running FPHG from within 'empirepoker/').

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PS: Sorry I am not much help when it comes to PT questions bc I don't use it anymore, but I promise the next version of FPHG will have a 'fake' version of empire to hopefully make all this easier for PT users.
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Old 03-25-2006, 09:20 PM   #231
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Re: Has the side pot bug caused any problems?

Juk: is there a way to use multiple XP user-accounts to mine more than 10 tables? I have heard that you can run the party application on more than one user account (hence ending up with 2 party app's running)...can you, or someone, give me step by step instructions on how to do this (if it's possible?)
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Old 03-25-2006, 09:36 PM   #232
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ah, somehow i missed that one, i only knew of the observed hands tab in another menu. got it now, thanks.
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Old 03-26-2006, 04:43 AM   #233
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Teddy,

Just create a second account, Logoff->Switch User, run party, run FPHG, run iWitness. As long as you run iWitness from the same directory, it'll pickup the other iWitness client running under the first account, and will open different tables. Make sure you increase the total# of tables in your group to 14 or more.

It's usually not practical to run more than 3 clients this way, depending on your CPU speed.
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Old 03-26-2006, 05:23 AM   #234
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Make sure you increase the total# of tables in your group to 14 or more.
Or, of course, set the Max# to "-", so there isn't a max at all.
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Old 03-26-2006, 11:30 AM   #235
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Yes, is saves the hand histories exactly the same as they used to be.

Juk

Juk I love FreePHG and I use both FreePHG and PartyPokerHandTracker but there is a major bug occurring in the writting of accurate hand histories for NLHE games(and I assume any other bigbet game ie PLHE). Both FreePHG and PPHT are having the same problem.

This is the problem the rake averages are not accurate..this is happening becuase in hands where someone goes all-in at some point in the hand..the all-in amount or some variable of that is being counted as the rake ..lol ..not being counted as part of the pot total..this wreaks havoc on many stats:it inflates average rake over any large sample thus making many PokerTracker stats flawed for NLHE study ie the average cost to play the game for all players on average-found at the bottom of PT Summary Tab is now off by almost 50% because average rake is being overstated from this bug by ~50%,player winrates are also effected and other stats I'm sure.

I'm agnostic towards which program to use..all you guys have done great work with this stuff...but the NLHE hh's are being written with this massive bug--this needs to be fixed.

To double check on this I look over a typical days mining of the NLHE games. I scan for players with the most hands and then check the rake on the hands they've played often I'll see $30,$100 even $800 in rake from one hand.

I dont think you can delete individual hands using PokerTrakcer only full sessions for a particular player..so this is a nightmare if accurate stats are your thing.

I'll help out in any way I can just had to let you know..
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Old 03-26-2006, 01:38 PM   #236
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Re: PHG NLHE hh\'s rake problem

Hi,

just downloaded it and PT says it is importing hands fine, but when I try and look in my database, I can see none of these hands. Any idea why?
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just downloaded it and PT says it is importing hands fine, but when I try and look in my database, I can see none of these hands. Any idea why?
Are you importing 6max? Did you remember to hit the "import as 6max" tag?
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Erm, where is that TAG?
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Old 03-26-2006, 02:31 PM   #239
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Re: PHG NLHE hh\'s rake problem

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Yes, is saves the hand histories exactly the same as they used to be.

Juk

Juk I love FreePHG and I use both FreePHG and PartyPokerHandTracker but there is a major bug occurring in the writting of accurate hand histories for NLHE games(and I assume any other bigbet game ie PLHE). Both FreePHG and PPHT are having the same problem.

This is the problem the rake averages are not accurate..this is happening becuase in hands where someone goes all-in at some point in the hand..the all-in amount or some variable of that is being counted as the rake ..lol ..not being counted as part of the pot total..this wreaks havoc on many stats:it inflates average rake over any large sample thus making many PokerTracker stats flawed for NLHE study ie the average cost to play the game for all players on average-found at the bottom of PT Summary Tab is now off by almost 50% because average rake is being overstated from this bug by ~50%,player winrates are also effected and other stats I'm sure.

I'm agnostic towards which program to use..all you guys have done great work with this stuff...but the NLHE hh's are being written with this massive bug--this needs to be fixed.

To double check on this I look over a typical days mining of the NLHE games. I scan for players with the most hands and then check the rake on the hands they've played often I'll see $30,$100 even $800 in rake from one hand.

I dont think you can delete individual hands using PokerTrakcer only full sessions for a particular player..so this is a nightmare if accurate stats are your thing.

I'll help out in any way I can just had to let you know..
Somebody explained why this was happening before, but I just haven't had time to fix it yet. If you look at the hand histories with the incorrect rake, then they will all be hands which have the end missing (what I called the "side pot bug").

It seem this bug effects NL HHF much more than for limit (something to do with how PT calculates rake I think...).

I will try to fix this tomorrow, and it shouldn't be too hard. One thing you could do to help is send me a few mixed NL HHF files [via PM or email - just paste them in] which have split pots, side pots and combinations of these (they don't come up too often in limit). I can then look through these and work out some better regular expression to match the 'true' end of hand (at the moment I just look for the work 'wins' to terminate a hand).

I also gonna try to fix up FPHG to be a bit more user friendly and possibly (time permitting) have a look how it can be optimized.

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Re: Has the side pot bug caused any problems?

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Juk: is there a way to use multiple XP user-accounts to mine more than 10 tables? I have heard that you can run the party application on more than one user account (hence ending up with 2 party app's running)...can you, or someone, give me step by step instructions on how to do this (if it's possible?)
Its not so hard to setup the accounts:

(1) Just go into "Control Panel" then select "User Accounts".

(2) Where is says "Pick a Task", select "Create a new account" and just follow what it says (make sure you create full (admin) accounts, and NOT limited accounts).

(3) Then simple run a copy of Party and FPHG in each of these accounts.

(4) Setup iWitness to use the same "networking folder" and run a copy of iWitness also in each account (I don't do this myself, so prolly better to ask Sam or Roland for help on how to do this bit if you run into problems...).

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what I called the "side pot bug").
Does this only happen with observed handhistories? If it occurs with both FPHG and PHT, I'd assume it was Party's fault, and therefore occurs in the normal (non-observed) histories.
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(make sure you create full (admin) accounts, and NOT limited accounts).
I just felt a great disturbance, as if millions of Sys Admins cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
-Sam

P.S. I do agree with your instructions. "All admin" is easier than helping folk find a common-accesable folder.
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I've been using your program for a week or so and it is working great. Thanks! I am curious though if using this is in any way violating Party's T&Cs.
I don't think so yet from what I read in the T&C (but I am no expert...). IMHO, what upsets Party most of all is commercial sharing of HH data and this I believe is the real reason they stopped writing the .hhf files originally.

Also, my version does not write in "real time" so it's hard to miss-use it for bots or other such stuff, and also nobody is profiting from my version... I gave it away free, so everybody can use it if they wish without being forced into paying a 3rd party for the privilege.

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I would hate to have my funds confiscated.
The way Party works is that they don't tend to confiscate funds unless you have been actually cheating somehow (via collusion etc) or have repeatedly broken their rules after being warned.

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I looked around a little bit and didn't see much talk of this on 2+2.
I will post this in the main thread, and see what others say.

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Juk: is there a way to use multiple XP user-accounts to mine more than 10 tables? I have heard that you can run the party application on more than one user account (hence ending up with 2 party app's running)...can you, or someone, give me step by step instructions on how to do this (if it's possible?)
Its not so hard to setup the accounts:

(1) Just go into "Control Panel" then select "User Accounts".

(2) Where is says "Pick a Task", select "Create a new account" and just follow what it says (make sure you create full (admin) accounts, and NOT limited accounts).

(3) Then simple run a copy of Party and FPHG in each of these accounts.

(4) Setup iWitness to use the same "networking folder" and run a copy of iWitness also in each account (I don't do this myself, so prolly better to ask Sam or Roland for help on how to do this bit if you run into problems...).

Juk
OK...I think I understand, and I'll give it a go -- do I also have to run separate instances of PT in each user account? If so, will that even be possible, given that I'm importing the hands into the same 'observed hands DB'...so PT will be running two instances and importing hands into the same DB?? Does that make sense???

What do u mean by 'networking folder'. I currently run FPGH from its EXE file I placed in the Empire directory (and I run iWitness from the AHK file I simply placed on my desktop). When you say "make sure iWitness is configured to use the same "networking folder"", what do you mean? Where do I configure that? (or is it the default option anyway)...?
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(make sure you create full (admin) accounts, and NOT limited accounts).
I just felt a great disturbance, as if millions of Sys Admins cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
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P.S. I do agree with your instructions. "All admin" is easier than helping folk find a common-accesable folder.
Oh, I didn't realize Party would work in a limited user account (I am a Unix user, so yes I cringe too when having to tell people to install and run everything as admin/root! ).

As far as I was aware (and when I tried this out), party refused to work under a limited account, BUT I think I only tried to install it under the limited account (and got some weird ass error message...). I didn't however try to install into a common writable folder (have you tried this and does this work? - if so this could be a method to "sandbox" the client...).

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what I called the "side pot bug").
Does this only happen with observed handhistories? If it occurs with both FPHG and PHT, I'd assume it was Party's fault, and therefore occurs in the normal (non-observed) histories.
I am fairly sure PHT misses the end of some hands too (from what I have been told), and somebody did send me an email explaining how this was happening and showed me examples.

PT rake calculations do seem to go way off if the end of the hand is missing.

Either way this bug needs squashing, so hopefully I will get rid of it in the next version (I sure it's effecting things like W$SD to for us limit players tool, but we just don't notice...).

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One thing you could do to help is send me a few mixed NL HHF files [via PM or email - just paste them in] which have split pots, side pots and combinations of these (they don't come up too often in limit). I can then look through these and work out some better regular expression to match the 'true' end of hand (at the moment I just look for the work 'wins' to terminate a hand).
will do..I'll PM you half a dozen or so funky hh's tmw
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you really should give us some info on how we can made a donation for your time. Obviously you have put in some time both making the program and responding to this tread helping people. I know you did this because you didnt want people making money off it, but I am pretty sure most people here would feel good about making a donation of say $10 or something for your time (as its worth a lot more than that)
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you really should give us some info on how we can made a donation for your time. Obviously you have put in some time both making the program and responding to this tread helping people. I know you did this because you didnt want people making money off it, but I am pretty sure most people here would feel good about making a donation of say $10 or something for your time (as its worth a lot more than that)
Alot of people have asked already about donations, but strange as it may sound (coming from a poker player...), I really am not a very money orientated person and I do believe much more in the sharing of software, information, skills, etc.

These forums are free and there is a vast amount of information to be gained by just browsing through them. All of this information was provided by other people who have donated their own time for free, so their should be no difference when I try to give something back via some free software?

This is just my way of saying thankyou to all those others who have provided the information.

Each and every person here has something which they can give back to the other members, so hopefully my example will inspire others to share what they can...

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Old 03-27-2006, 03:53 AM   #250
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just found this via the faq, damn, thank you. amazing work. on behalf of mankind thank you. up & running goot within 2 min-

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