I work for a government department that, a few years ago, paid some consultants millions to help them develop a 'five year plan' to improve the way the department operates. About a year later we paid some other consultants millions more, to release essentially the same document rebranded as the 'five year ambition'. A couple of years after that a third set of consultants were engaged, at similarly vast expense, and produced what was again essentially the same document, labelled the 'five year vision'.

About 18 months after that we dropped the five year part - there is a rumour that management came up with this one on their own.

I'm not saying you boys aren't good, just that you've got a long way to go before you can run with the big dogs.

Oddly enough we were just talking about this yesterday, because the solution is being developed right now while we are focusing on issues unique to tournament.

PS: In PT3 when the database knows what street the player went all-in on, and the final action on that street from the actions string can be determined, a custom stat can be created. Custom stats are very powerful, this is a great example of why they are so important. Eventually we add all the best custom stats ideas into our major PT revisions, so the need for custom stats becomes less important in the next version - unless of course you envision a new way to track data!


PokerTracker is the big dog


-TT

Wait... what's that sound I hear. The glorious voices of angels... could it be? Yes, PT has finally seen the light http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiAsWR4qU

how is PT4-VPIP (lol) different to what one may expect?

In PT3 VP$IP was calculated as (# of times players put money in / # of hands dealt) * 100. But you are dealt hands where you did not have a chance to put money in the pot - namely if you receive a walk in the big blind. Therefore, in PT4 VPIP is calculated as (# of times players put mony in / (# of hands dealt - # of walks)) * 100. We will be including the PT3 calculation into PT4 as well so that if players prefer the old method, it will still be there. You can even see how much of a change it makes for you if you'd like by comparing them side-by-side. The rule of thumb is that the tighter you are and the more hands you have, the less of a difference it makes.

-Kraada

I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but: are you going to be able to import PT3 HUDs into PT4? Also, will there be a way to auto-import all my custom PT3 stats into PT4?

This.

Also, (grunch) what kind of updates to your note editor can we expect?

Does this software will have database sync?

What does this question even mean?

Please describe a use case in which the phrase "database sync" is used that illustrates your question.

For example you might say "assume I have 2 computers: a laptop and a desktop and I run PT4 on both ... database sync ... blah blah blah."

Let me take a wild guess, he is probably wondering if there will be a way to sync your database to a cloud provided by PT. And then going to any other computer where you have PT4 installed, enter your username and password and have an ability to get all those hands imported from cloud to your current computer's database.

he obv has in mind a feature called "HM cloud sync" announced by PT's main competitor

Yes to both - provided that we can match the stat and column names automatically. Some existing custom stats might be rendered obsolete with the roll out of PT4 thanks to our new positional options; therefore I personally suggest you check your profile after importing from PT3. Additionally there will be some stats that do not port if there is no equivalent in PT4, for example currency/winnings stats are totally revamped because of the new international currency features. In general the best policy will be to:

1) Try our new built-in HUD profiles. You may find them superior to anything you previously had with PT3's customizations.
2) If you want to keep your PT3 HUD profiles then you should proceed to import them in PT4 - but it is best to test the profile for any stat errors caused by the differences in the new PT4 database schema by opening a replayer window. If you have a lot of custom stats that do not conform to the new schema then you will have a few issues to fix by hand, if not it will be smooth sailing.


We have answered this a few times earlier in this thread, search for notes in this thread for our previous responses. Also you can view Preview Video #2 which features the first disclosure of the new PT4 note system. Since that video was released we have altered one component of the notes system which we haven't announced yet - I think it's going to blow everyone away when they see it!

The remote syncing of databases has been in our plans for PT4 since we started developing it over a year ago; we intend to develop this service after PT4 is released. As we did with PT3, there will be some special features we are planning to add after the software goes on sale that appear to some of our users, normally we don't disclose these special additions in advance but I can admit that we have been dropping hints since the announcement that syncing is one of our plans. By waiting to develop this after the release of PT4 we gain the flexibility of watching how people use PT4 to make sure the synchronization matches the needs of the users - rather than what we think the users want. And that is the fundamental vision of PT4 - giving our users what they really want and need - without delivering bloatware that interferes with your game.

- TT

We're already in late Q3 of the year I'm dying to test out PT4 fellas can't wait!

Not long ago we announced that we will not release the beta before the Q3 projection, we still have more development work to do before we will be ready to show players what we have in store for them. When we released the PT3 beta it was not feature complete, for PokerTracker 4 we are making sure that the features are complete and all we have to do is test for undiscovered bugs during the public beta. Its a radically different plan for us, but we think it will result in a much better application and fewer hiccups in the process.

My rough guess is a few months from now... that could be 30 days, it could be 90 days.... its still too early to give a date commitment but we are getting very close - in the meantime we will promise to keep everyone up to date and continue to answer any questions you have. Thanks for your support!

- TT

It is exceptionally difficult to believe anything coming out of PT these days. I was once a great supporter of this product, but I've been B/S'd too many times over the past 12-18 months. Not that my opinion carries any weight.

Hmmm... any way, hoping to see a quality product, rather sooner than later.

I don't mind waiting. I think it would show massive incompetence from the PT crew if they made the same mistakes with PT4 as they did with the PT3 launch. Both PT3 and HEM are quality products and I'm in no hurry upgrading.

For new users, would the upgrade be free if purchased by a certain date?

Yes, the upgrade is free if you purchase PT3 today (or if you did after June 10th).

When do you plan to release another vid?

I have a feature suggestion. What do you think about having it set up so that when looking at the graph view you can hover your mouse over specific points in the graph and it would show you the hand that generated that profit/loss? I think this would be incredibly useful. Anyone agree with me?

I don't have an exact time yet, but hopefully it will be soon.

Thank you for your suggestion - we have something planned that is very similar to this request.

It would be nice if I could mark a range of hands in my DB with a "I was ****ing tilted" property so I could later filter on "tilted" "NOT(tilted)" and get an idea what tilt is costing me

The new hand marking and filtering system isn't complete yet but I'm pretty confident you'll be able to do exactly that - you'll definitely be able to mark a range of hands like that in some way for later review/inclusion/exclusion.

--WhiteRider

I don't know if these things have been mentioned but two things that would be great if they were improved are....

-Not having to 'treat as 6max' everytime Im playing a 6m SNG. I play 6m Super turbos and they're constantly loading up and I often times don't even have the time to go through the process on each table

-The HUD needs and option to unfilter stats at any time. So if you only have 1 hand on someone within that filter you can unfilter to remember that players stats.