This is driving me nuts, but I'm sure I'm just missing the obvious. In Absolute, when I move stats around, they disappear unless they are over the chat box. they just slide under the table or player image, like there was a hide feature....

Nvm. New beta fixed everything.

Teaser:



We've still got a ways to go, but we are definitely working on it.

Nice!

Maybe you don't have an answer for this yet, but here goes:

As somebody who currently has PT3 installed on my only Windows machine, will I be able to install it on my MacBook for no additional cost?

It probably is a huge amount of work to create and maintain a MONO fork of a program such as PokerTracker. Good luck.

PT3 for Mac will not cost extra if you have already purchased PT3.

Very nice to see some progress... even if it is just a teaser. Copilot is ok for now, but just not cutting it.

Except they wrote it in C++ so that it wouldn't be a huge amount of work.

I'm stoked. I had begun to expect it would never come; that more troubleshooting, sites, and features would push it right off the back burner and wedge it between the wall and the stove, never to be seen again....

Is there an ETA? (No matter how rough - I won't hold you to it.)

If so then it's an even more tremendous amount of work since mono natively supports winforms.

I have been considering moving back to PT3 now that it seems to have closed the gap, I far prefer the cleaner look of the PT3 GUI. However, I love my HEM HUD pop-ups, they are pretty much indispensable to me. Are there custom pop-ups for PT3 floating around that mimic the HEM pop-ups, or at least have approximately the same level of detail? I'm talking stuff like 3bets by position, 4bets, donk bet, fold to db, raise db, c/r flop, fold to cbet 3bet pot etc.

yes..but it takes awhile to get them configured correctly. I still can't get the positional stats working quite right on the pop ups.

In the PT3 FAQ there's a huge note at the attention of Vista users, stating in bold that they should run all their poker software as administrator.

What is the technical reason behind this obviously highly secure and professional way of doing things?

In other words, seen that there are a lot of correctly programmed software that run perfectly fine in a normal user account (both on Vista and Un*x systems, like OS X), what makes poker software so special that users have to give up this essential security feature?

This is especially troublesome in the worm/bugs/trojan/0-day exploit/malware-ridden Windows world.

Isn't this just a case of PT developer being unable to correctly deal with UAC issues / PostgreSQL installation and rights?

Any detailed technical information (not just a "you'll have problems") would be very welcome because there's something very wrong about a FAQ stating in bold that everything must be run as administrator.



P.S : will the OS X version also ask users to give up all security precaution by mandating PT3 to be run within a priviledged account?

You are going to LOVE beta 27. Not only positional stats, but other features that will make you love your PT3 Hud more than you could imagine.

As for the stats, unlike HEM (AFAIK), you can place your custom stats in the Hud as easily as adding any of the built in stats. If you don't know how to make your own custom stats, our site has many you can download. If you need help making a stat that doesn't already exist, our forum contains a section dedicated to that and you will get all the help you need.

Most Windows applications are pretty self contained. They operate in their own little world, not caring about the other applications running alongside them. UAC and running apps under a non-admin account works fine for these, as the purpose of that security is to prevent applications from interrupting other applications.

PT3, on the other hand, interacts extensively with other applications running alongside it. It requires access to many different types of directories and it needs access to the actual table windows in order to display information for the Hud. Restricting PT3 to its own little world would pretty much eliminate the usefulness of it.

BTW, the PostgreSQL problems are beyond our control. We do not have the resources necessary to dig into the PostgreSQL code to figure out why it won't install properly under Vista.

I can't comment on what the Mac version will require, as we haven't gotten to the point where the Hud is interacting with other windows yet.

But when will we get a chance to LOVE it? Didn't Kraada or WR say somewhere it was going to be out late last week (or maybe it was the week before)?

We ran into some issues that needed to be cleared up before we could release. The fixes for those issues are being tested now, so we should be able to release in the next couple of days.

Sounds good, I'll give the trial a shot when b27 hits

Beta 27 Released

This version will require your databases to be updated. If you have large databases, this process will take a long time. It is recommended that you only upgrade to this version if you have time to wait for the update.

Added:

• TableTracker: Scoring functionality
• TableTracker: Advanced Filtering
• Hud: New stat options: Position, Transparent background (stats only, not groups), percent makeup
• Hud: In the config dialog, you can replace the current profile data with the default profile
• Hud: Ability to set selected Hud profile as default for the current table type

Changed:

• TableTracker: Rows prefill before attempting to retrieve data
• TableTracker: Removed PokerRoom option from sites
• TableTracker: Trial now by number of searches rather than by time
• Hud: You can now set several popup windows to a single table group
• Reports: The header of sorted columns in reports are bolded to help distinguish
• Import: OnGame tournament summary information
• Import: Switching from HU to 6 max with AQTL
• Import: Added more Everest shorthanded tables
• Changed "Yes/No" buttons to "Replace/Add" in the filter savings dialog

Fixed:

• TableTracker: Bug preventing cache from being used
• TableTracker: Everest launch settings when not installed
• TableTracker: Full Tilt launch settings in Vista
• TableTracker: Players who have stats not showing them
• Import: Entraction limit hands being imported as tourney
• Import: Entraction hands with uncalled bets not importing properly
• Import: Effective stack sizes
• Import: MicroGaming tournament hands importing as cash
• Import: MicroGaming missing hands during auto-import
• Import: MicroGaming hands not properly labeled as limit
• Import: More Everest shorthanded tables added to Everest.cfg file
• Import: iPoker tournament summary import
• Import: iPoker auto-import being one hand behind
• Import: iPoker duplicate hand import after someone was knocked out of a tournament
• Import: William Hill UK date format
• Import: Hands using the "MT" and "MSKS" timezones
• Import: Pacific client hh dead blind
• Import: Unable to move Pacific hand histories after stopping auto import
• Import: Pacific invalid pot size error
• Import: Cereus customer service hand history
• Import: Cereus heads up tournaments
• Import: Cereus: Email imports, invalid limits, tournament add-ons, tournament dates
• Import: Cereus date problems
• Import: Session limit is updated to reflect automatic limit change (2m -> 6m when more people join)
• Hud: Popup window translucency
• Hud: Cereus in-browser tables not being found
• Hud: Disappearing from Replayer window after repeated viewings of single hand
• Hud: Now displays folded hero cards in review
• Hud: No longer logs when logging is disabled
• Hud: Color conditions (not color ranges) not working
• Hud: Tournament performance fix
• Hud: Threading issue that may have been causing crashes
• Stats: Column validation bug
• Stats: Color condition not being saved properly
• Reports: Message regarding selecting report after saving new report
• Reports: Filtering with "OR"s in custom reports
• Reports/Hud: Adjusted queries to properly join with the lookup_positions table
• Tourney Results: Error message and changing selected tourney when saving
• Bug with editing report columns/saving stats.
• PostgreSQL installation not using the given port
• Full Tilt's new XML preferences

As you can see, there are a lot of updates and fixes this time around. We've added some very exciting features in this version.

We've vastly improved TableTracker. Not only is it faster, but it offers you a lot more options and it's easier to use. We've re-organized the interface a bit, to make it easier for you to choose which limits to select. We've also added the ability to filter your table list beyond just hiding tables that contain no stats. You can now color or hide rows based off nearly any criteria: Number of players with a certain stack size; Table with an average VP$IP of more than 30 and PFR of less than 10; etc. You can filter based off of any stat and can use the table average values, or you can test for a set number of players who meet the criteria.

Along with the new filtering, we've also added the ability to score players in TableTracker. This feature allows you to assign players a value based off their stats. This is very similar to auto-rate, but you have separate rules for 8-9-10 max tables and 5-6 max and 2 max tables. We've included a built-in proprietary rule set, which is used by default. Our rule set was built based on experience and extensive study of players. You have the option of creating your own rules if you wish, but I would recommend trying our rules first to see how they work for you.

Another major change for TableTracker is the trial. Instead of limiting you to 30 days after purchasing PT3, we've changed the trial to be based off a number of searches. With beta 27, all registered PT3 users will get 25 free trial searches to use whenever they want. This will give those of you who have been waiting for the new filtering and scoring features another chance to try out TableTracker. With the changes we've made, we believe that TableTracker is far and away the most powerful table selection software available.

We've also made some big changes to the Hud. For one, you can now assign multiple popup groups to a single table group. Having more than one popup assigned means that when you click the group, the popup that is displayed has "tabs" that allow you to choose the popup you wish to see. This allows you to have large amounts of data available to you, but in a very manageable way. Combine that with the ability to show stats based on position and their percentage makeup, and you've got a very powerful Hud. We've created a new default profile to show off these new features, and I highly recommend you try it. In the Hud Config window, you can create a new profile, or you can select the option to replace the current profile with the default. Oh yeah, you can now also assign the profile you want to be used by a specific site and table seat count.

There are many bug fixes included in this release. Our developers are working very hard to eliminate all the bugs we can. We will continue to do so and we appreciate the patience and the help that you have all given us. Without your cooperation, bug fixing wouldn't be possible.

Thanks to those of you who have submitted hands to us, but we still need more. We need hands from the following sites:

• Betfair
• Bodog
• Cryptologic
• Tain Network
• Tribeca
• *Old* Ultimate Bet
• World Poker Exchange

We need hand histories in all formats and both cash and tournament hands. For sites that use database files or single xml files or whatever, we need those as well as any datamining formats and PT2 exported formats. The more hand histories we get, the easier and faster it will be for us to get support added for the site. The sites above are not listed in the order we will be adding them. We have been going by http://pokerscout.com and adding the sites by size. We may continue to do this or we may skip around now that the unsupported sites are pretty similar in size. To submit your hand histories, please follow this link.

How long can the update take? I've got 4gb ram, c2d 2,5ghz, database with 2,5 million hands and it has been running over 1,5 hours.

Latest update looks real good guys.

I do have one complaint though. I was hoping the latest beta would address the problems in the EV calculations that were present in the previous beta version. I believe the miscalculation was attributed to pokertracker not taking account of sidepots? I was hoping this would have been addressed as EV calculations are one of the most important features for me in a tracking program.

Cheers.

I don't know how long it will take, but for a database that large it could take a while - please don't interrupt it or you could damage your database.

No EV issues were addressed in this Beta - there are big plans for this, but I don't know exactly when they will be implemented.

Would a mod be so kind as to update the title of this thread?

Thanks!

Might be a stupid question but, where do you find hands that you "marked for review" while playing? Is there anywhere to list them all?

See the Tutorial: Marking Hands for Review which goes over a couple of ways to look at the hands you've marked.