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Old 05-29-2008, 04:45 AM   #3726
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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thank you for the answer,
is there a way to get an e-mail or private message when it will release so i can try it, if its too much - where should i check it frequently in order to be updated?
http://www.pokertracker.com/products/PT3/download.php

check if build 2 has been replaced by build 3. also title of this thread will prolly change to 3.00.3
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:48 AM   #3727
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

I noticed that PT3 doesn't make coffee or give BJs. This seems like a serious defect. No, just kidding. I think PT3 is a great product, that the scale of the project is so big that it is amazing that there aren't more bugs and missed features, and that the team is doing a great job with this. More appreciation and less whining is in order, IMHO.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:30 AM   #3728
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

Fair enough, but now that its been two weeks since many of us actually bought the product, it would not be a bad idea if they would eventually release a version that actually WORKS... Ummm.........
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:38 AM   #3729
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

PT Website seems to be down for me this morning.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:54 AM   #3730
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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PT Website seems to be down for me this morning.
Down here too. Perhaps a build 3 bug?
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:20 AM   #3731
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

I think they need to hire more people. I mean, just about every release gets delayed. The commercial release was supposed to be in Febuary, then it was tentatively scheduled for mid-March, and so on.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:25 AM   #3732
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

When is it going to support Absoulte?
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:34 AM   #3733
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

Site is back up, page is offline. Looks like its coming out soon
ps No its not
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:38 AM   #3734
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

A few thoughts, as somebody who does research in this field, but has not association with PT.

I beta tested it and the last beta before the release wasn't bad at all, for the most part perfectly usable. I think the guys in their rush to get it out on time introduced some new bugs and I have definitely had problems.

Secondly, there is a massive difference between a few people beta testing and 1000's of people all with different pc's, operating systems etc, different poker sites, on day 1 expecting it to work out of the box. With this kind of project I don't think it is possible to really find a lot of bugs until the release. The big software companies spend months and get 1000's if not 10,000's of people to test their products in beta in order to make them work. Vista anybody, who has vista and still have problems 12 months+ on?

Furthermore, I think we have to be honest here and say that PT had its hand forced. With the arrival of Holdem Manager, all of a sudden there was some serious competition. I'm sure in an ideal world they would have liked a longer, but you have to move with the times.

However, if we look at HM, even several months after release people on the forums there are complaining about a HUD lag issues, when promised features will be there etc. My feeling from looking at the forums for both HM and PT3 is that both products have a fair amount of development still required. The difference being that PT3 came out 2 weeks ago and HM 2-3 months ago.

The key thing is can the guys at PT3 get the vast majority of bugs sorted by build 3, so that 90%+ of people can load it up and just play. I think they are taking the right approach in not rushing out the fixes, rather trying to nail all faults in one go. If you look at HM they will have build 1.0x.a, then b, c, etc etc, all fixing and refixing problems.

If the PT3 can do fix it for the vast majority in the next few days, I am sure give it another couple of months and PT3 will have more features than you can shake a stick at.
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:37 AM   #3735
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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I beta tested it and the last beta before the release wasn't bad at all, for the most part perfectly usable. I think the guys in their rush to get it out on time introduced some new bugs and I have definitely had problems.
Thats most def true. Beta 11 actually worked a lot better than 3.0 here, too, not perfect, but only with minor bugs. If 3.0 was the last beta, id have certainly not preordered it.

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Secondly, there is a massive difference between a few people beta testing and 1000's of people all with different pc's, operating systems etc, different poker sites, on day 1 expecting it to work out of the box. With this kind of project I don't think it is possible to really find a lot of bugs until the release. The big software companies spend months and get 1000's if not 10,000's of people to test their products in beta in order to make them work. Vista anybody, who has vista and still have problems 12 months+ on?
Thats most def no excuse. For sure, you can not catch every single bug, but you just have to select the beta testers so that you get a wide sample size. Also PT is for sure no program with anywhere near the complexity of an OS like Vista. There used to be a time where you would visit a shop, buy software and it worked well, for the most part. But ever since the easy update possibilities of teh internetz it appears the programmers more and more tend to release buggy betas as commercial products...
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:44 AM   #3736
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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If you look at HM they will have build 1.0x.a, then b, c, etc etc, all fixing and refixing problems.
Release Early, Release Often

I don't use HM, but frequently releasing bug fixing builds is a good thing imo.

Even if a release has only a single bug fix, if that bug prevents me from using some useful feature, I would rather have it today than wait a week or two.
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:11 AM   #3737
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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If you look at HM they will have build 1.0x.a, then b, c, etc etc, all fixing and refixing problems.
If I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to feel that this is a bad thing?

If so, I couldn't disagree more. This isn't about rushing out fixes, but rather realising that a lot of this stuff won't be picked up until a big userbase gets to try the program and find out what works and what doesn't.

These programs have so much functionality that needs to work on so many different setups that it's just not possible to perform a complete test for every fix/addition. Microsoft, with all their resources can't do this, so I don't think it's fair to expect the creators of PT3 or HM to be able to either.

Ideally you might feel that the users shouldn't have to do this testing once the program has been released and you're paying for it, but the fact is it's a much quicker way to get things done.

The typical sequence for HM which is to release a bigger update and then follow it up with smaller, quick fixes as bug-reports are coming in, works very well. Those who worry about beta-testing and stuff breaking can simply wait a while before downloading the newer updates - there are plenty of other users willing to try them out and getting the new version stable in a fairly short amount of time.
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:14 AM   #3738
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

PT3 crashes frequently at iPoker making that unplayable. Anyone else having problem with iPoker?
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:19 AM   #3739
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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PT3 crashes frequently at iPoker making that unplayable. Anyone else having problem with iPoker?
yeh me too. and when you click refresh it locks up the PC and you end up timing out on some tables...pretty tilt inducing
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:51 AM   #3740
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

The lock up issue is unacceptable, the table cover must never prevent normal table display and interaction no matter what's going on with PT3.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:53 AM   #3741
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

Yes I am having serious problems with ipoker, especially the HUD. Crashing on importing, and terrible lag on the HUD / crashing, which I don't suffer with the other sites. I agree with the lock up issue, if PT3 is going to misbehave it is one thing, but when it locks up the poker client as well I can't even play the hands out. When you are mulit-tabling it can cost serious $'s.

As my comments on HM, with their numerous updates. I'm not saying that is a bad thing in itself, what I am saying is that 2-3 months down the line they still havent solved some major problems such as a very laggy HUD, they don't have all the stats available etc. They have released loads of updates, and still some core issues haven't been resolved. It is as unusable to me as PT3 is for everyday multi-table grinding, because various essential things just aren't working that well or aren't there yet.

My point was people are demanding to get a fix for this or that now, rather than a considered release addressing all the issues. I am sure lots of things are inter-related and so patching one might not really address a core problem. I would prefer they get it right, rather than 10 mini releases each possibly making things better for some and worse for others.

But I don't really want to get into a poo slinging match of PT3 vs HM etc. I have tested both a lot in the past 6 months, and I'm sure both parties have worked really hard on their products. However, I know which I prefer.

Everybody else is free to vote with their $, but I think people are been overly hard on the PT guys, especially considering you can have a 60 day trial and free PT2/PAHUD. If this time next month PT3 is still screwed well people have a more valid claim to be banging the drum. In the meantime, I think it is more beneficial to keep flagging all the bugs using the support system / log files and let the guys get them fixed.

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Old 05-29-2008, 03:48 PM   #3742
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I constantly crash with this error. It's really ridiculous. I play on full tiltpoker.

"error: access violation at 0x06092589(tried to read from 0xFFFFFFFF), program terminated"
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Old 05-29-2008, 04:13 PM   #3743
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

does pt3 support minitables in a sit and go 6 max ipoker?
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:01 PM   #3744
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

I'm a newbie here, but something I would like to see in a software program is alerts by bet size and position. Many players have serious tendencies that are tough to track down when multi-tabling.

For example, if a player min raises UTG, a popup could show what hands he did that with. If he raises5xBB UTG, what hands did he do it with? If a player bets the pot out of the blue on the river, what did he show down?

I'd like to see it as a popup(say by right clicking on the player's avatar) versus having to look at a hand history table.
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:11 PM   #3745
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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If you are feeling generous, you can export & post them in the Repository.
http://www.pokertracker.com/repository/statistics.php
I dl'd 2 stats from the repository. Where do I put these downloaded files, so they will be an option to put on my HUD?
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:25 PM   #3746
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

Is PT3 compatible with PokerEV? Can't seem to figure it out.
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:53 PM   #3747
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

I can understand and deal with HUD stats disappearing and an occasional crash from time to time while bugs get worked out, but all of a sudden no HUD stats are appearing while 4-tabling on PS. All my settings are the same. One or two tables pop up for a hand or two then they all disappear and clicking "reset" from the PT HUD anchor box does nothing. So freakin' annoying...haven't even considered trying one of PT3 competitors until now.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:14 PM   #3748
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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Is PT3 compatible with PokerEV? Can't seem to figure it out.
No it is not
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:07 AM   #3749
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

Just installed PT3 today and I'm disapointed. The HUD works like ****. Im having a hard time adjusting the display. Why cant we just use our PT2 PHUD displays? WTF happened to the layout manager? Is there a way to turn off the HUD without erasing all your settings?
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:19 AM   #3750
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Re: New Software: PokerTracker 3 - 3.00.2 (incl. TableTracker) - 16-May-2008

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Is PT3 compatible with PokerEV? Can't seem to figure it out.
Easy work-around is to export the time in question from PT3 and import them into a PT2 db. It is not that much work, at least not for the time periods that I am running.
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