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Originally Posted by fateholder2
I analyzed in HoldemManager about out of position opponents' betting frequency when the flop goes check check on monotone flop.
In holdemmanager you can't see opponents' mucked hold cards,but you can deduce their range from the frequency.
Fishy players bet 40% on the turn,Reg players bet 30%.It was really low,so I check in Flopzilla to see what is exactly top 40% or 30% Turn betting range of monotone flop+another color turn.But I can only generate one monoflop+several turn at once to check the hand value.But different flop generate different hand value.
Somehow i found that when opponent bet in this situation,because of their low betting frequency ,their range is much stronger than I thought,and they are totally underbluff.
If i can review all possible flop+turn of special pattern,the conclusion will be more universally and accurate
I think I get the gist of what you're trying to do: look at your hand history and do a statistical analysis. I agree the statistics part on various betting actions is good info., but I don't think the further range and calculation work you want to do is a good way to analyze. Reasons below.
>>> so I check in Flopzilla to see what is exactly top 40% or 30% Turn betting range of monotone flop+another color turn.
So you're creating one range that you can enter into a program to capture many villains' ranges across many hands in your hand history? To me this doesn't look like a good way to go. One reason is that in one hand villain may be a LAG, in another hand villain may be a TAG, i.e. totally different frequencies and tendencies and ranges.
So I think the analysis you're trying to do is best done one hand at a time in your hand history. I believe trying to combine dozens or hundreds of hands' results into one scenario that you can enter into a program won't give you accurate and applicable results.
>>> But I can only generate one monoflop+several turn at once to check the hand value.But different flop generate different hand value.
So you can't do what you want in Flopzilla either? Just curious did you suggest your "board ranges/patterns" feature to the author of Flopzilla? I'd be curious as to their take on your feature.
>>> Somehow i found that when opponent bet in this situation,because of their low betting frequency ,their range is much stronger than I thought,and they are totally underbluff.
Note you're talking one opponent at a time here, which is the way I'd analyze this. So this is easy to model in this program, create a range for the opponent, and for the flop+turn cards enter the cards from the hand history. I don't see the need to use ranges/patterns for the board because you're analyzing this one particular hand, so just enter that hand's specific board cards.
>>> If i can review all possible flop+turn of special pattern,the conclusion will be more universally and accurate
I don't agree. I think the most accurate way to analyze this is one hand at a time, one villain at a time, not to try to combine many hands / villains in your hand history into one generic hand range and one generic board range/pattern.