This didn't come to mind before because this is the PokerCruncher-iOS-Advanced version thread, but the Mac-Expert version of PokerCruncher can already do this (show outs), using the "next card heat map" feature (which is more general than just showing outs, and works for both specific hands and ranges). This feature shows you how good or how bad each possible next board is for a given hand or range. Good next cards are colored green-ish, bad next cards are colored red-ish, and breakeven-ish next cards are colored yellow-ish. Of course the hand's/range's outs are the solidly green next cards.

Examples show this feature best.

(1) below shows your simple "Mainly was looking for quick river outs in hand vs hand" case. For such simple cases (just 1 card to go) usually it's pretty easy to just count the outs in your head, but the heat map shows it clearly.

(2) shows an example with 2 cards to go (on the flop). The 9 solidly green next cards are the clean outs (or pretty much fully clean). The other cards are red-ish, but note that the T's and 7's are less red (orange-ish), because they give a runner runner straight draw, which increases their equity.

This next card heat map feature will remain only in the Mac-Expert version. I had to make some calls on what would be in the Advanced vs. Mac-Expert versions of this app.


Example (1): 1 card to go, TopPair vs. FlushDraw+WeakPair:




Example (2): 2 cards to go, TopPair vs. FlushDraw+BackdoorStraightDraw:

Nice to see range groups/color coding finally implemented!

I guess all I needed was some good at-home quarantine time to fully get going on this feature and ship it. Just kidding, should't really joke about this, sorry about that.

Note this feature is in the Mac-Expert version, not the iOS-Advanced versions (this thread).

I think it's a pretty complete implementation of color-coded groups, e.g. it handles multiple colors/groups on a cell/hand (as it must), and you can build groups manually and also automatically with the Filter Add/Remove buttons. The tutorial section for this feature has the details incl. screenshots (I'll attach one screenshot below).

Hi,
Just wanted to say that your software is great and wish you will bring out a windows version of it, tons of buyers (including me ofc) are promised.

Thanks for compliment on the software.
A lot of people have asked about a Windows-PC version over the years of course. I'd love to have it, but it would be so much work/time to make that version, on the same level as the current Mac-Expert version, so I may never start that project. There's just so much other stuff to work on, poker and non-poker related. And the current PokerCruncher versions i.e. iPhone, iPad, Android, Mac-Expert are keeping me/us busy enough with updates and improvements (like the new color-coded groups in hand ranges feature in the Mac-Expert version). Regards, -RJ

Hello,

Just wanted to check if PokerCruncher has a feature that will allows you to calculate a hand range that will be greater than X% equity given a board and opponent’s range. I looked at the docs and didn’t seem to find any but I’m not sure.

This is usually useful when analyzing especially for river betting and calling ranges.

Thanks!

The Mac-Expert version of PokerCruncher does have a feature along these lines (the Advanced iPhone, iPad, Android versions do not). The feature is "filter hand range on equity": tutorial section. For convenience this short tutorial section is appended below.

What you can do is, first enter the all-hands range (Top100%). Then run the filter-range-on-equity operation and enter your X% equity value. The all-hands range will be filtered down to only the cells (or combos) that have at least X% equity against Villain's range. This operation can do both cell-level filtering and (more finer) combo-level filtering.

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Filter Hand Range On Equity (Mac-Expert Version)

You can also filter a hand range on Equity, using the “E” button to the right of the “Filter” button in the Range Editor view. You can do *cell-level* filtering (using the Range Equity Heat Map's calculation results), or *combo-level* filtering (using the Range Equity Distribution Graph's calculation results):

<E> = *cell-level* filtering (using Range Equity Heat Map's calc. results)
SHIFT+<E> = *combo-level* filtering (using Range Equity Distribution Graph's calc. results)

In the "Filter Hand Range On Equity" popup dialog:

1) The "Filter" button filters the hand range, keeping only the cells (or hand combos) that have at least the specified Equity, using the Range Equity Heat Map's (or Range Equity Distribution Graph's) calculation results.

2) The "Negative-Filter" button removes the cells (or hand combos) that have at least the specified Equity from the hand range, using the Range Equity Heat Map's (or Range Equity Distribution Graph's) calculation results.

**** Note ****
We feel that the Filter Hand Range On Equity operation (this section's feature) is useful/applicable in some types of scenarios (like range vs. range) but not in some other types of scenarios (like specific hand vs. range). In scenarios of the latter type (specific hand vs. range), we feel that the Filter Hand Range On Hand Types (Stats) operation (previous section's feature) is more useful/applicable.

Perfect! This is exactly what I was looking for -- and yes I do have the Mac Expert version

Thanks!

Im not sure I will get an answer to this as there is not much activity here, but Ill give it a shot. I play a bit of poker. Really just starting. Im pretty bad but kinda get it. I just got this app. Its awesome & exactly what I was looking for. But a question (this is for iPhone). Is there a way you can get the app to deal random cards without assigning a card to the player or house? II think it would be very useful to see the odds change as cards get dealt.
If there is this ability, I dont see it.
Again, its a fantastic app

Thanks for good feedback on this app.

Yes this ability is there, the "Rnd" button on the main screen.

Item 8) of this section of the tutorial explains fully: https://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoke...#BasicFeatures

Basically, first tap on either a player card/range field, or a flop/turn/river card, then tap the "Rnd" button.

Hi, I am new to PokerCruncher (IOS Mac-expert version), and the math of equity, etc, in general, so please forgive my novice!
I have a question about equity percentage input.

I've figured out the equity I have in a hand based on the pot size and bet I'm facing, and I've inputted a range for my opponent. Let's say I have 46% equity in this spot based on pot odds, and I want to quickly reveal what hand range I'm required to have in order to call with 46% equity. Is there a way to tell PokerCruncher I want to see all hands that put me at 46% equity against a particular range I've selected for my opponent? A working from the equity backwards to hand range, in a sense. In other programs I know you can calculate hand ranges based on a desired equity, but those aren't for Mac of course, and I didn't know if there was an easy way to do so here. Thank you!

Not sure which version of PokerCruncher you're talking about, iOS or Mac-Expert. My answer here is for the Mac-Expert version.

The Mac-Expert version does have a feature that does this, called "filter range on equity" (tutorial section). I've appended this section below.

You enter the minimum equity you want and this feature filters the range keeping only the cells/hands that have at least the desired equity.

Regards, -RJ


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Filter Hand Range On Equity (Mac-Expert Version)

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You can also filter a hand range on Equity, using the “E” button to the right of the “Filter” button in the Range Editor view. You can do *cell-level* filtering (using the Range Equity Heat Map's calculation results), or *combo-level* filtering (using the Range Equity Distribution Graph's calculation results):

<E> = *cell-level* filtering (using Range Equity Heat Map's calc. results)
SHIFT+<E> = *combo-level* filtering (using Range Equity Distribution Graph's calc. results)

In the "Filter Hand Range On Equity" popup dialog:

1) The "Filter" button filters the hand range, keeping only the cells (or hand combos) that have at least the specified Equity, using the Range Equity Heat Map's (or Range Equity Distribution Graph's) calculation results.

2) The "Negative-Filter" button removes the cells (or hand combos) that have at least the specified Equity from the hand range, using the Range Equity Heat Map's (or Range Equity Distribution Graph's) calculation results.

**** Note ****
We feel that the Filter Hand Range On Equity operation (this section's feature) is useful/applicable in some types of scenarios (like range vs. range) but not in some other types of scenarios (like specific hand vs. range). In scenarios of the latter type (specific hand vs. range), we feel that the Filter Hand Range On Hand Types (Stats) operation (previous section's feature) is more useful/applicable.

Hi, does pokercruncher for iOS have the ability to narrow ranges street by street using hand categories so that I can see my equity vs my opponents continuing range?

For example, I enter a range for villain preflop. Then on the flop, I can select the hand categories they will continue with if I bet (eg. top pair, two pair, weak pairs, flush draws) and therefore see my equity against their continuing range.

I believe this is a feature in flopzilla

Thanks

No; the iOS "Advanced" version of PokerCruncher does not have this feature.
However the Mac "Expert" version of PokerCruncher does have this feature (and a lot more):

https://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoke...ilterHandRange

The Mac-Expert version also has a "filter range on equity" feature, in addition to the above feature "filter range on hand types".

This filter range on hand types feature needs us to be able to select / turn on/off the several dozen stats/hand-types using checkmarks to select which ones we want, which is most easily doable and useable in the desktop/Mac version. And there are other feature choices we made between the Advanced and Mac-Expert versions of this app, listed on our tutorial page:

https://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoke..****evelFeatures

So the Mac-Expert version is more powerful than the "Advanced" version, as can be expected for a desktop-level program vs. a mobile app. Thanks for checking out this app.

Will PokerQuizzer ever come to Android? I loved that app 10 years ago and I'm getting back into poker but I have an Android.

Hello, I'm afraid no, it will not. PokerCruncher will remain our only Android app. We should never say never, so this is all almost certainly. Thanks for liking the Quizzer app on iOS.

Would it be possible to create a layer feature in the hand range editor of the mobile App? Where each added layer, created from within the editor, is an editable subset of the currently selected layer (ie: you could create more then one layer per source layer). Such that you may cycle through the layers in the heat map and have it reflect only the statistics for the combos in the layer you have selected. Each layer is created in the hand range editor before running the calculations. Therefor each layer should be calculable ahead of time allowing the data to be prepared and ready for viewing once in the heat map.

There are several reasons this would be helpful.

* Ability to dig deeper by sorting your range into different potential lines of play that can be quickly compared to each other and the source range they were created from.

* Will help maintain the entire picture by retaining the past ranges your current ranges were derived from.

* Can separate suited combos with no flush potential from the ones with flush potential so that the equity of that hand is properly reflected in the heat map. Without destroying the root layer.

* Won’t have to save unimportant hand ranges you are experimenting with just so you can return to the starting point.

* Creating and comparing alternate subsets would be possible without changing the number of hand ranges that exist. Changing the number of hand ranges also effects the range equities and break even points in the heat map.

Example use case:

1. HR1 and HR2 is selected.

2. Generate a random flop.

3. Create a new layer, for each HR, with the root layer as it’s source. Each HR’s new layer containing the subset of combos each would continue with.

4. Calculate and view heat map. Cycle through available layers. Analyze and compare the added layer and it’s source. Gain insights and spark new ideas.

5. You want to try a slightly different subset and how it impacts the data and changes the scenario. You create a new layer, in the HR in question, with the root layer as it’s source.

6. Calculate and view heat map. Cycle through available layers. Analyze and compare the added layer and it’s source. Gain insights and spark new ideas. Repeat step 5 as needed.

7. Generate a random turn. Repeat steps 3 - 6 until ready to proceed.

8. Do the same with the turn.

9. Go back through all the layers and be able to see the whole picture and how decisions from earlier streets might have had consequences previously unknown to you. In other words be able to tease out the 2nd and 3rd order effects of the decisions you make.

10. Delete all layers leaving only the root layers. Start over again with a new random scenario.

I think it’s time to add some proper filter features to the mobile app. The chipsets should now be capable of supporting them in the iPhone and their lack of presence really is a noticeable pain point.

^

Thanks for sending a clearly written and well motivated suggestion.

I think this is another case where we're expecting maybe a bit too much i.e. desktop-level features from the iPhone version of this app. The Mac-Expert version of this app can do the jist of both your suggestions (layers in ranges, and filtering) as I'll describe below. The iPhone(Advanced) version is meant to have fewer features than the Mac(Expert) version, as Mac's are more powerful and have much larger screens, and the ability to pinpoint with the mouse also helps with some features like mouse over a stat. You're right that the processors on iPhones are plenty fast enough, but the screen size and lack of a mouse are factors. And also I needed to make some maybe arbitrary decisions on what's in the Advanced iPhone version and what's in the more powerful Expert Mac version.

I know some people have an iPhone but don't have a Mac. I don't have a good answer for that, other than anecdotally, more than a few people have written in over the years and said they're buying a used Mac or a refurbished Mac as a second machine just to try out and use some Mac software. I won't go as far as to suggest that you just switch from Windows to Mac though : ), as that's a personal taste and decision.


1)
The Mac-Expert version has a feature called "color-coded groups in hand ranges" that should serve this purpose (layers). I think the ability to color code is important as that lets us see the different groups visually. Note that we can have multiple groups/colors on a given cell, which is your suggestion that e.g. for AKs, we need to be able to put one suit in one group and the other suits in a different group within the AKs cell.

Here's the tutorial section, and a screenshot (I've forgotten how to attach images here, I may need to edit this):

https://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoke...esGroupsEditor



Currently groups aren't integrated in the range heat map view as tightly as you've suggested, I'll think about that.


2)
The Mac-Expert version has two filter features:

* Filter on hand types (stats):
https://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoke...ilterHandRange

* Filter on equity:
https://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoke...dRangeOnEquity


3) Re. your usage path of saving each iteration of a range (preflop, on the flop, on the turn, etc.) into a separate layer of the range, I'd like to suggest a possibly easier already existing method that we can do in both the Mac and iPhone versions: use the quick-save range slots to save the different versions of the range.

I've attached a screenshot below of how this can be done in the Mac-Expert version. Note I'm using the first 10 range slots for my temporary range filtering work, and I've named the slots for this purpose. E.g. on the left side VillainPreflop, VillainFlop, VillainTurn, VillainRiver. And similarly for Hero on the right side. As I do my filtering and narrowing down of the ranges from street to street, I save the range versions into these slots. I can then go back and forth and compare, see the number of combos in each, etc. I think with this usage path, we get the benefit of a layer feature or even maybe groups feature. But color-coded groups I think are useful and needed anyway for other purposes.

Hi . I,m on Imac with Pokercruncher Pro and want to Deal the flop with no Players and View Combos . For Example A 6 10 on Flop. Sets = 3*3 = 9. Two Pairs 3*9 = 27 etc .
Any Help Greatly Appreciated.

Yes this is possible to do.
I have answered and posted a screenshot in the PokerCruncher-Expert-Mac thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=314

much Appreciated

In the mobile version, for Deal To Flop, page 2 of stats:

It shows Flush Draw %, OESD %, etc...

Are these % coming out of High Card % on page 1 or is this an independent %?

For example, the High Card % on page 1 is showing 62.1%, and page 2 is showing 7.2% for OESD and 8.4% for Inside Str. 62.1 - 7.2 - 8.4 = 46.5.

Is it to assume that 46.5% is High Card without any of the draw?

If not, is there a way to figure out % where a player completely misses the board?

These are all independent stats, showing only/exactly what the particular stat means. There's no subtracting one stat from another going on automatically under the covers.


For all/most intents and purposes yes, but not fully yes due to overlapping stats possibilities.

For example you could flop both an open end straight draw and a pair. So this particular case wouldn't be included in the HighCard stat because of the pair. So in general if we just subtract the OpenEndStraightDraw stat from the HighCard stat then we'd be subtracting off a little too much, in the pair&draw cases. But such pair&draw cases shouldn't be more than 1% or so total (can look on page 3 of the stats for this), so if we just do the simple subtraction HighCard - (all the draws), we'd prob get an answer to within 1% or 2%.


Not in this app : ).
But the simple subtraction you suggested gets us to within 1% or 2%.

And plus even if we handle the combo draws overlapping stats cases mentioned above, it's hard to say exactly what a "complete miss" is. For example you could have just HighCard but have a backdoor flush draw and maybe also a backdoor straight draw. And we could also have an overcard or two. All this together is by no means a complete miss for this and later streets.

Thank you. I kind of figured that was indeed the case. I am merely looking for a general understanding of board texture on hit or miss, so the range of 1 to 2% is fine.

Hi. I purchased the app and have a question
Is there any other way to set weight of the hand in range, other than set up specific suits? (In android app)