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01-02-2017 , 04:09 AM
Hello. Is it possible to change offered by solver ranges? F.e. i know that tight opponent will never raise gutshot and i want to cut such type of combos from his raising range on flop. If yes please give me a short instruction what should i do. Thanks
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01-02-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Hello. Is it possible to change offered by solver ranges? F.e. i know that tight opponent will never raise gutshot and i want to cut such type of combos from his raising range on flop. If yes please give me a short instruction what should i do. Thanks
As of now it's possible to either lock the whole decision point or specific combos (so you can lock 76o to be 100% fold for example). I explain how combo-locking works here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJEPGSIpIBM (point 12, see the video description).
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01-02-2017 , 05:10 PM
hi, what is the most likely cause that when i generate a 25flop script and run it, when I look at 1 of the flop solutions, oop doesnt have a check option? I have not checkboxed the force oop bet and neither the force oop check/ip bet...

Edit: it seems that when i dont add 3betsizes to flop but 2 it does give a check option. Is this dependent on RAM of pc? maybe stupid Q but I thought i read that somewhere.

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01-02-2017 , 10:55 PM
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when I look at 1 of the flop solutions, oop doesnt have a check option?
It has nothing to do with a script. The config doesn't contain the check option in the first place. The simplest way to test those things is to build a tree and browse it before solving. This way you can verify the tree is what you want without investing much time.

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it seems that when i dont add 3betsizes to flop but 2 it does give a check option. Is this dependent on RAM of pc? maybe stupid Q but I thought i read that somewhere.
I really need to see the config to tell what the problem is. The best way to share it is to click "copy to clipboard" button and paste the result to pastebin.com then link it here.

This way I can import the config to my viewer and see what is wrong.
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01-03-2017 , 05:36 AM
Is it possible for Pio to implement a feature where hands are categorized in equity departments? Like a rough equity compartementalization feature where value/protection/bluffs can be viewed by? I am aware that this categorization isnt a real thing but just for browsing sake I would find it very useful to just click a button similar to i.e. EV strategy and we can see somewhat of a coloring sceme where these categories are separated. I would think that it adds to the speed of detecting what are the lowest equity hands we take an aggressive action with. just a human-friendly feature. Lets make technology a bit friendlier. Apple faired very well by doing that...
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01-03-2017 , 07:56 AM
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Is it possible for Pio to implement a feature where hands are categorized in equity departments?
For now you can see what hands from given hand cateogries are doing using range explorer so you can see what top pair, set etc. does. Like here:

https://gyazo.com/04855b9af2b978f81f5d63baa421ed0e

You can also choose specific combos if you want to show strategies fro them.

Reading your suggestion I think you would like to be able to see what hands in say 10%-25% equity range do? Is that correct? If so it's a good suggestion and I am going to add it to the todo.
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01-03-2017 , 08:31 AM
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Reading your suggestion I think you would like to be able to see what hands in say 10%-25% equity range do? Is that correct? If so it's a good suggestion and I am going to add it to the todo.
Hi, yeah I mean sortof the equitytab with the green to red colorscheme mixed into the rangetab that only shows yellow.

What it does then is when u look at a single range i.e. XR, within that rangetab u see the colorscheme of the equitytab so u can easily see at once how the range is made up in terms of high medium and low equity categories, and I guess its even more simplified if the emphasis was only on the low (to mid-) range in terms of coloring so that it pops out at first sight.

Thanks!

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01-03-2017 , 09:04 AM
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Hi, yeah I mean sortof the equitytab with the green to red colorscheme mixed into the rangetab that only shows yellow.
Well, you can click equity OOP/IP buttons combined with "square size proportional to weight" checkbox and you get this:

https://gyazo.com/c46e441c732ab35cbc7379ef06284faf

isn't it exactly what you want?
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01-03-2017 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
Well, you can click equity OOP/IP buttons combined with "square size proportional to weight" checkbox and you get this:

https://gyazo.com/c46e441c732ab35cbc7379ef06284faf

isn't it exactly what you want?
Yes, but no cuz I would like to see it not only in the full startingrange but have that colorscheme trickles over to the separate actionlines, fold/call/raise, instead of turn only having it viewed in yellow...In this view we can see the lowest equity hands but we cannot see instantly wether they are part of the folding or raising range rite?

Last edited by Ultraviolent; 01-03-2017 at 11:11 AM.
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01-03-2017 , 04:52 PM
can you give me a tip to make a script that can run simulation on x flops but with different SPR. can I generate a script for a 30bb effective and another for 60bb and then copy/paste to make just one script?
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01-04-2017 , 04:51 AM
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can you give me a tip to make a script that can run simulation on x flops but with different SPR. can I generate a script for a 30bb effective and another for 60bb and then copy/paste to make just one script?
I've answered this question here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1482

Alternatively it's possible to create a .bat file to run several scripts but the way described in the linked post is easier.
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01-04-2017 , 02:13 PM
"in equilibrium both strategies are already the best against each other"

how do you translated that strategy in "pio language"?

full tree:

http://imgur.com/xrYE3DA

in this picture f.e. it means that OOP player knows IP player's range and that IP can only bet if he bets 40% of the pot on flop, 45.6% on turn, 65.5% on river? OOP also knows the exact raising size if he raises?

preflop:

http://imgur.com/0udmPFF

in this picture f.e. it means that OOP player if he checks he knows that IP is beting on that flop 52% of his range with the specific hands shown in red that has +ev.?

Last edited by neversurrender; 01-04-2017 at 02:19 PM.
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01-04-2017 , 05:32 PM
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"in equilibrium both strategies are already the best against each other"

how do you translated that strategy in "pio language"?
This is pretty straightorward: in perfect equilibrium both strategies are also max exploits vs each other although they are not the only possible max exploits.

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in this picture f.e. it means that OOP player knows IP player's range and that IP can only bet if he bets 40% of the pot on flop, 45.6% on turn, 65.5% on river? OOP also knows the exact raising size if he raises?
Well, they don't "know it". It means that if they did something different they wouldn't get better EV (and maybe they would get worse). An equilibrium strategy guarantees a certain payoff no matter what the opponent does, if the opponent does something different then sometimes we can get more but we will never get less.

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in this picture f.e. it means that OOP player if he checks he knows that IP is beting on that flop 52% of his range with the specific hands shown in red that has +ev.?
Again, he doesn't really know it. What he knows is that it's the best thing the opponent could do. I hope that makes sense, if I didn't understand your question please elaborate a bit.
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01-04-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
I've answered this question here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1482

Alternatively it's possible to create a .bat file to run several scripts but the way described in the linked post is easier.
don't work maybe some missing step
when I run the master script it returns "xxx.txt couldn't open file"
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01-04-2017 , 08:08 PM
After I have run a script and load the flops into PIO the wrong ranges appear. I have tried to do it twice now - once with 3 bet pots, sb v btn, and once with SRP utg v CO. When I load the flops the ranges that appear are btn v bb ranges.
I have watched the video on how to run a simple script and followed the instructions and as far as I can see am doing the same thing that you did.
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01-05-2017 , 04:22 AM
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don't work maybe some missing step
when I run the master script it returns "xxx.txt couldn't open file"
This means you have provided incorrect path to partial scripts.
Assuming you have them in C:\PioSOLVER, try this:

load_script "C:\PioSOLVER\script1.txt"
load_script "C:\PioSOLVER\script2.txt"

it goes without saying that their names should be script1.txt, script2.txt etc.

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After I have run a script and load the flops into PIO the wrong ranges appear.
What do you mean by "wrong ranges appear"? Where do they appear?
If it's in treebuilding tab then it means the viewer couldn't find the config file. To fix that always save trees from a script in a fresh folder (the path you provide in generate script window should be to an empty or non-existing folder). It doesn't matter for the solution itself as it's only the config which was read incorrectly, the tree itself is going to be correct.
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01-05-2017 , 09:13 AM
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Again, he doesn't really know it. What he knows is that it's the best thing the opponent could do. I hope that makes sense, if I didn't understand your question please elaborate a bit.
i mean that in pio we make the setup of the tree for OOP and IP range, bet sizes etc and taking the meaning of equilibrium that "in equilibrium both strategies are already the best against each other" does this mean in pio that each other "knows" their range, bet sizings, etc, that we already provided during setting up the tree in the program as shown in the image?

u mean that they dont know for example OOP player that IP setup for flop betting is only one size 45% he just knows that if he bets (in our example 45%) he reacts to that bet in equilibrium?

and what about ranges they dont know each other range in each street?
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01-05-2017 , 01:12 PM
How much do you think Pio would win (bb/100) if it could play 500 zoom?
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01-05-2017 , 02:10 PM
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This means you have provided incorrect path to partial scripts.
Assuming you have them in C:\PioSOLVER, try this:

load_script "C:\PioSOLVER\script1.txt"
load_script "C:\PioSOLVER\script2.txt"

it goes without saying that their names should be script1.txt, script2.txt etc.


thanks man really appreciate your help! as a new user I spend a lot in FAQ, video ect... but here another little trouble that is probably again easy to solve

I set up a hand and want to remove some lines but it doesn't make it as I wanted




i'd like to remove the call after raise 15 so I input remove Bet5, Raise 15, call

so it works



but maybe too much because it remove also the other line where I want to keep the call



any ideas of the best practice to use remove and add line?
I tried then to add Bet 3 Raise 11 call but didn't work
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01-05-2017 , 03:42 PM
I just purchased PioSolver and I cannot connect. It also never asked for my registration key. Please help.
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01-05-2017 , 07:03 PM
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i mean that in pio we make the setup of the tree for OOP and IP range, bet sizes etc and taking the meaning of equilibrium that "in equilibrium both strategies are already the best against each other" does this mean in pio that each other "knows" their range, bet sizings, etc, that we already provided during setting up the tree in the program as shown in the image?
The solution "knows" the starting ranges and betting structure (sizings) as well as starting pot/stacks.

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u mean that they dont know for example OOP player that IP setup for flop betting is only one size 45% he just knows that if he bets (in our example 45%) he reacts to that bet in equilibrium?
I misunderstood what 45% means in my previous answer. Yes, the players "know" what sizing is allowed but they don't know how often an opponent is going to bet (which is what I thought you mean by 45%).

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and what about ranges they dont know each other range in each street?
They know only starting ranges.

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How much do you think Pio would win (bb/100) if it could play 500 zoom?
Hard to answer for many reasons obviously so instead of giving a list of disclaimers/sources of my guesses or explanation I will venture I guess. I think it would be 3bb-4bb/100 with a huge positive redline.

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i'd like to remove the call after raise 15 so I input remove Bet5, Raise 15, call
The input in remove lines field uses the same format as tree config so if the original bet is 50% (for example) you would write: "bet 50". I talk about this feature here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGpcZavxeQ (point 1 see the video description).

Alternatively you can share the config, like this:

1)go to treebuilding and calculation tab
2)fill in the config
3)click "copy to clipboard" button
4)open pastebin.com, paste there
5)link

Then I will be able to tell you how to remove the lines you want. I think that watching the relevant part of the video above is going to help though

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I just purchased PioSolver and I cannot connect. It also never asked for my registration key. Please help.
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01-05-2017 , 07:05 PM
We got an order for a license today which we can't fulfil because provided email address rejects our emails ("552-Quota exceeded.").

If you don't get ordered Pio license within 24 hours it means something went wrong and we don't have a way to contact you. This means you need to contact us either by email (support@piosolver.com) or pm here.
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01-05-2017 , 08:34 PM
Hello,

Since yesterday my Piosolver Pro seems high on crack as it gives me solutions that seem pretty obviously wrong. I've been checking a lot of things before posting here to be sure it doesn't come from a parametering mistake from me and I'm like 95% sure it doesn't come from that. As well I've been experiencing results variations of the same tree after I reboot (likely a good solution after reboot)
Here is a paste of the last example of a spot that just seems wrong, sb vs bb single raised pot flop 236s gives oop cbetting 100%...
http://pastebin.com/raw/Fkg7AB4e
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01-06-2017 , 05:05 AM
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Here is a paste of the last example of a spot that just seems wrong, sb vs bb single raised pot flop 236s gives oop cbetting 100%...
http://pastebin.com/raw/Fkg7AB4e
This is correct. The cbet is should be 100%, both sizes are used. I verified it with 2 other algorithms, one not implemented by me. I am not sure why you think it's "obviously wrong". To be honest it's expected, OOP has huge range advantage having 60.2% equity on the flop and more strong hands in range.
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01-06-2017 , 06:23 AM
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The solution "knows" the starting ranges and betting structure (sizings) as well as starting pot/stacks.

I misunderstood what 45% means in my previous answer. Yes, the players "know" what sizing is allowed but they don't know how often an opponent is going to bet (which is what I thought you mean by 45%).

They know only starting ranges.
Thanks for your quick answer you have a very very good support thats definitely +ev for your software.

To sum it up in pio language f.e. i made a picture with what OOP "knows" in equilibrium about IP with green square and with red square is what OOP dont "knows" about IP shown in these pictures is that correct?



So basically what they "know" for each other is all the streets possibility betting size and only the basic setup range and not the later streets ranges on flop, turn, river but OOP only plays in equilibrium without knowing with what ranges IP reacts in his strategy?
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