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11-15-2016 , 08:57 AM
Can I do aggregation analysis that each number was in a separate column, so I could sort him? PIO report me all in one column! It used to be separate!
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11-15-2016 , 09:54 AM
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Can I do aggregation analysis that each number was in a separate column, so I could sort him? PIO report me all in one column! It used to be separate!
Pio creates standard csv files. It's the program you are using to read them which fails. Look here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1666
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11-15-2016 , 10:15 AM
When creating a preflop script, where do you specify the accuracy and where to save the file and with what name? When I click "Save script (with currently selected set of flops)" It just creates a script without those options, unlike postflop scripting.
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11-15-2016 , 12:21 PM
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When creating a preflop script, where do you specify the accuracy and where to save the file and with what name? When I click "Save script (with currently selected set of flops)" It just creates a script without those options, unlike postflop scripting.
Yes that's correct. It just builds a tree (we never thought scripting preflop trees would be popular as they take many hours to solve but it seems we just didn't have enough foresight).

You need the following lines at the top:

set_threads 0
set_accuracy X

and then at the bottom:

go Y seconds
wait_for_solver
dump_tree "C:\SAMPLE_PATH\yourfilename.cfr" no_rivers

X is in chips. You can substitue no_rivers with no_turns if you want the micro save.
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11-15-2016 , 01:52 PM
Hi! i have 3 question i´ve thinking about today:

1) Is there any way to know the % of equity realization making a report with any preflop solution on any spot (for example i want to know the %realization postflop of any hand when i call a 3bet SBvsBB. I try to make multiple agregated report with the piocloud solution but an error appears.

2) When i want to lock any node (for example the fold to a cbet in the flop is so tedius to put all the ranges manually. Is there any way (probably not) to improve this and be more usefull by making PIO do the job? (for example i want to lock the fold to cbet vs cbet on flop to 40% and PIO automatically choose the hands with more EV to call/raise 60% of time and fold this 40%

3) I analize a lot of spots with the 49 flops subset and i want to know all the general lines in % (the fold to cbet media of the 49 flops, cbet%, ...) and compare it with the metagame using HM2. I remember that i see something like that in a tutorial doing with the console a few months ago but i don´t know how to do it

Thanks a lot!
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11-15-2016 , 02:39 PM
Hi I've been looking into a way to run your Pio Edge program and was considering building a desktop, but wanted to ask about using a dedicated server with the necessary computing power. I found this site that has a dedicated server with a "1-2 x Intel Xeon E5 2630v4 1-2 x (10 x 2.20 GHz)" CPU and 256GB RAM for around $150/mo. How would this work exactly-would I need to install the program on the server itself or could I install it on my computer and just connect to the server to run the computations? Alternatively, I was looking on Ebay and found enterprise servers for around $2k with 256GB RAM (Enterprise Dell PowerEdge R810 4x2.26GHz 8-Core X7560 256GB RAM H700 6G 2PS), and was wondering if it would be possible to use this.

Also, does the edge program also come with 2 activations?
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11-15-2016 , 05:30 PM
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1) Is there any way to know the % of equity realization making a report with any preflop solution on any spot (for example i want to know the %realization postflop of any hand when i call a 3bet SBvsBB. I try to make multiple agregated report with the piocloud solution but an error appears.
What kind of error? If you are at 1.9.2 version it should work. Just remember it's not multfile report but a normal one.
You can also see equity realization for all hands in Range Explorer.

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(for example i want to lock the fold to cbet vs cbet on flop to 40% and PIO automatically choose the hands with more EV to call/raise 60% of time and fold this 40%
There is no way to do that at this point and it's not obvious how to implement it.

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3) I analize a lot of spots with the 49 flops subset and i want to know all the general lines in % (the fold to cbet media of the 49 flops, cbet%, ...) and compare it with the metagame using HM2. I remember that i see something like that in a tutorial doing with the console a few months ago but i don´t know how to do it
I go through doing this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGpcZavxeQ (14:20, see the video description)

You need the whole tree in memory for it to be able to produce overall frequencies for all lines up to the river but on small saves it will still list lines up to turn or flop (depending if it's a small or micro save).

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I found this site that has a dedicated server with a "1-2 x Intel Xeon E5 2630v4 1-2 x (10 x 2.20 GHz)"
I don't really understand what "1-2" means in that context.
E5 2630v4 is a 10 core CPU, you need to ask them if there are two of them or one on the server. Two would be quite a powerful setup.

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How would this work exactly-would I need to install the program on the server itself or could I install it on my computer and just connect to the server to run the computations?
You need to install it on the server. Using a server is dead simple once you have it setup. You can connect to it using remote desktop (built in Window) and then you just have a server in a separate window with copy paste/drag&drop working between that window and rest of your computer. One of our users made a nice introduction to that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihMc3dCU_Rw

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I was looking on Ebay and found enterprise servers for around $2k with 256GB RAM (Enterprise Dell PowerEdge R810 4x2.26GHz 8-Core X7560 256GB RAM H700 6G 2PS)
This is slower than your modern i7 quad as that's quite an old generation and 8 relatively slow cores.

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Also, does the edge program also come with 2 activations?
Yes, you can use it on 2 computers and you can move it from computer to computer freely.
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11-15-2016 , 11:44 PM
Hey Punter.... i have the pro 1.5.0 version and i don't have the Pio Updater file on the root directory.
Could you provide me a link of the latest version so i can update?
I couldn't find it on your site.
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11-16-2016 , 04:40 AM
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Hey Punter.... i have the pro 1.5.0 version and i don't have the Pio Updater file on the root directory.
Could you provide me a link of the latest version so i can update?
I couldn't find it on your site.
That's quite an old version
It was an oversight from me to not put the updater in the folder, it's there starting from 1.9.
You can download it here:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/07...90236514835682

I go through updating process, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGpcZavxeQ (point 1)

As there were tons of developments since 1.5 I invite you to browse our development blog (especially the videos), here:

http://piosolver.myshopify.com/blogs/news
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11-16-2016 , 08:57 AM
hi punter, im usually working with really big trees and small saves (turns included) and as i move forward things starts to add up in hdd space, are there any plans for somehow decreasing the sizes of the small saves? ... using micro saves its really counterproductive for me for multiple reasons...
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11-16-2016 , 09:46 AM
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hi punter, im usually working with really big trees and small saves (turns included) and as i move forward things starts to add up in hdd space, are there any plans for somehow decreasing the sizes of the small saves? ... using micro saves its really counterproductive for me for multiple reasons...
There are plans although it's likely the size will only decrease by about factor of 2. Even if it's 3x it won't improve hdd space situation that much.
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11-16-2016 , 10:14 AM
Hi!
Testing free version of Pio before buing.
Can I somehow make river 2 sizings after .33 turn size BUT only 1 sizing for river after .75 turn. Now Pio builds 2 sizes after .33 and after .75. https://gyazo.com/712004919c1295522912f026a8166bc0
https://gyazo.com/9be7157576357bae89ee9a8c3452529d
As u see only 2.8 combos plays with 0.33 river. So just want do delete non-relevant sizing.
Thanks.

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11-16-2016 , 12:48 PM
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Can I somehow make river 2 sizings after .33 turn size BUT only 1 sizing for river after .75 turn. Now Pio builds 2 sizes after .33 and after .75. https://gyazo.com/712004919c1295522912f026a8166bc0
https://gyazo.com/9be7157576357bae89ee9a8c3452529d
As u see only 2.8 combos plays with 0.33 river. So just want do delete non-relevant sizing.
Yes, there is a feature introduced in 1.9 to just that. You can either add relevant lines or remove the ones you don't want (whichever is easier). I talk about it, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGpcZavxeQ (point 1)

In your case you can for example remove:

check, bet, call, check, bet 75, call, check, bet 33

That means: any bet on the flop (both sizings), then 75% on the turn, then 33% on the river so it removs 2 lines. If you would like to remove that only after big flop bet, then insert:

check, bet 33, call, check, bet 75, call, check, bet 33

in remove_lines field instead.
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11-16-2016 , 10:42 PM
Hi Punter, I have pio 'pro', will I be able to solve preflop trees that don't involved anything postflop? i.e a btn raises and the blind plays a shove or fold game for 20bb? Do I need 'edge' to be able to do that? Is there any information on how to build such a tree? I've just had a go and can't get it to work.
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11-17-2016 , 04:45 AM
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Hi Punter, I have pio 'pro', will I be able to solve preflop trees that don't involved anything postflop?
Yes, pro and basic versions solve pure preflop trees (just make sure you are updated to 1.9.2 version)
The easiest way to start is to choose one of the sample configs, here:
https://gyazo.com/f45620b40a969fbfc89870bf53e883d2

then click "Build pure preflop tree (no flop exits)" button and then go to TreeBuilding and calculation tab and click "Go" there.
Le me know if you need more help on this.
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11-17-2016 , 05:33 AM
For preflop calculations, it would be nice if Pio had a feature where you can decrease one player's postflop EV by a certain % (to simulate poor postflop skills) and then do calculations so that we can see how exactly that will make us want to go postflop more often (and get alllin less preflop). Would that be easy to implement?
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11-17-2016 , 06:30 AM
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Yes, pro and basic versions solve pure preflop trees (just make sure you are updated to 1.9.2 version)
The easiest way to start is to choose one of the sample configs, here:
https://gyazo.com/f45620b40a969fbfc89870bf53e883d2

then click "Build pure preflop tree (no flop exits)" button and then go to TreeBuilding and calculation tab and click "Go" there.
Le me know if you need more help on this.
I have Basic version. Above pure preflop doesn't seem to work for me.

I have 1.9.2 but I have no sample preflop configs or flop subsets folder in my downloaded zip or after install. After manually building a tree and clicking "Build pure preflop tree" and then going to treebuilding and calc tab and click go Pio says, Error: Solving not supported in this version.

Last edited by TimTamBiscuit; 11-17-2016 at 06:49 AM. Reason: OK, I found flop subsets zip on your site but go still has same error message
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11-17-2016 , 06:52 AM
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For preflop calculations, it would be nice if Pio had a feature where you can decrease one player's postflop EV by a certain % (to simulate poor postflop skills) and then do calculations so that we can see how exactly that will make us want to go postflop more often (and get alllin less preflop). Would that be easy to implement?
The problem here is deciding what kind of postflop adjustments to make. One option is to adjust payoff at end nodes (so say weaker player always transfers 2% of the pot to the stronger player once the hand ends) another would be to calculate normally and adjust at the end (but then it's not clear what "decrease by certain %" means as EV could be negative and if you normalize it to be always positive (fold == 0) then hands close to 0 EV almost don't change but the ones with significant EV lose a lot which may lead to strange adjustments).

My intuition is that the best way to do it is to adjust payoffs at end nodes (similar to rake) and that will be possible along with ICM as we are going to implement a way to use any chips -> utility function (which ICM/rake and skill adjustments are a variant of).

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I have Basic version. Above pure preflop doesn't seem to work for me.
Make sure you are connected to 1.9.2 solver (it says at the bottom "connected to ..."). If it's in fact 1.9.2 then please email me with your key and/or registered email and I will check what's going on.
Btw, this feature is available in the free version as well.
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11-17-2016 , 07:33 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGpcZavxeQ (14:20, see the video description)
Gtrl + i ?? Doesn't work for me for some reason, other Ctrl + "x" commands work
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11-17-2016 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
My intuition is that the best way to do it is to adjust payoffs at end nodes (similar to rake) and that will be possible along with ICM as we are going to implement a way to use any chips -> utility function (which ICM/rake and skill adjustments are a variant of).
Dope. Looking forward to it
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11-17-2016 , 01:46 PM
do scripts allow a batch of flops to be run in sequence? ie make a script to run 20 overnight and save each of them for later viewing?
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11-17-2016 , 02:22 PM
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Gtrl + i ?? Doesn't work for me for some reason, other Ctrl + "x" commands work
It should be ctrl + b (or just go Tools in the top menu and choose arbitrary solver command). I pronounced it ctrl + e apparently, I am sorry.

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do scripts allow a batch of flops to be run in sequence? ie make a script to run 20 overnight and save each of them for later viewing?
Yes, that's the main use case. See here how to run a simple script:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhG_YsEvfwU (question number 6)
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11-17-2016 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
Make sure you are connected to 1.9.2 solver (it says at the bottom "connected to ..."). If it's in fact 1.9.2 then please email me with your key and/or registered email and I will check what's going on.
Btw, this feature is available in the free version as well.
Yes, this fixed my problem. Once I connected to the Basic 1.9.2 I could go my pure preflop tree.

The source of my confusion is that when running a sample from PioCloud it loads preflop-browser.exe.

So preflop-browser.exe is needed to browse full preflops others have built for me but pure preflop trees need my basic 1.9.2. I didn't know that before.
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11-17-2016 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
The easiest way to start is to choose one of the sample configs, here:
https://gyazo.com/f45620b40a969fbfc89870bf53e883d2
I still don't have these sample preflop configs. Can I download them from somewhere?
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11-17-2016 , 11:38 PM
How does the purepreflop tree evaluate EV when the tree says call if it is not taking any flop exits? Does it assume a certain fixed flop subset? Does it use or ignore the postflop betting structure specified in the preflop tab? How does purepreflop differ from full preflop?

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