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05-25-2021 , 05:58 PM
Hi PioEdge user here.

I have two preflop trees. One with a 4x 3bet size. The other with a 5x 3bet size. I am wondering how I check the EV difference. Do I look here and compare OOP's EVs:



Or do I go into the grids, and click "display EV" for IP and OOP? If its here, which node to I check?

Thanks
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05-26-2021 , 10:44 AM
Hi, how can i modify a range (weight of all hands) in a node?
I understand node-locking is for changing frequencies only...
I cant find the command in UPI doc.
thanks
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05-27-2021 , 07:52 AM
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I am using PioSolver 2 on an old computer using the CustomBuild "oldCPU". I have an issue node locking pre-flop trees. I'll stop a tree at .35 bb/100 then I lock the OOP player's decisions vs a complete or a raise. Then I restart the simulation and stop it again at say 1 bb/100. What I've found is that my In Position player never changes his strategy even though a different strategy clearly has a higher EV. I've confirmed before starting the sims that the In Position player's decisions are not locked.
It would be useful if you could send me the tree config (support@piosolver.com) with a descriptino of what you are locking so I can re-run locally.
Maybe it's a good idea to do it this way:

1)Build a new tree
2)Lock
3)Solve

as well.

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Is it possible to solve for 6-max LHE ranges?
It isn't. It's a solver for HU spots.

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I would have thought it was the opposite because only one betsize. Is it just because the postflop ranges are wider?
It's because in no-limit you don't get 4 possible bets on all streets (because you are all-in quite quickly) so overall the number of lines is smaller unless you use a lot of bet sizes.

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I have two preflop trees. One with a 4x 3bet size. The other with a 5x 3bet size. I am wondering how I check the EV difference. Do I look here and compare OOP's EVs:
Yes, the only mathematically correct way is to compare EV in the root node (not at any other part of the tree).
Comparing in any other node is meaningless because the ranges that go there might be completely different.

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Hi, how can i modify a range (weight of all hands) in a node?
I understand node-locking is for changing frequencies only...
I cant find the command in UPI doc.
thanks
This is not possible.
The reason is that it would require creativity from the solver when it comes to ensuring enough combos even go to a node you lock strategies at. This is a judgement call and would produce unexpected consequences ("I only wanted to have AA:0.9, why it stopped cbetting flop with AA?").
This is why strategy locking is the only sensible option.
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05-27-2021 , 12:29 PM
hello,

I have a question regarding the GTO trainer. Is there a way to adjust the threshold for doing mistakes?

The issue I am having is the following: If my hand wants to bet 10% of the time and check 90% of the time and I decide to bet it shows me that I did the correct play. As a lot of hands are mixing it makes practicing with it a bit less useful for more advanced user. Making errors is one of the most important things for the brain to store information long term. So is there something I can change to evoke more errors?

Those are the two options I tried in the "GTO Trainer" configuration settings
1)Reduced mixed action threshold to 0.5%
2)clicked on Most aggressive action should be 100% (thought this would fix it and mark my decision as an error if it is not the main action the hand wants to use)

but both those options did not chance anything on my end.
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05-27-2021 , 04:27 PM
Hi everyone!

Could anyone tell me which raise sizes are better for solving, using 3x-4x or about 60%? because my pc can really handle only one raise size. Peter Clarke posted a youtube video where he uses 4x raise sizes for every streets for both players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4H1...l=CarrotCorner

But many people have told me to use rather 60% raise size. But I ran two similiar sims, one with 4x and one with 60% raise size, and the results from flop to river are almost identical. Still many people argue for using % rather than X'
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05-28-2021 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DanceMonkey
hello,

I have a question regarding the GTO trainer. Is there a way to adjust the threshold for doing mistakes?

The issue I am having is the following: If my hand wants to bet 10% of the time and check 90% of the time and I decide to bet it shows me that I did the correct play. As a lot of hands are mixing it makes practicing with it a bit less useful for more advanced user. Making errors is one of the most important things for the brain to store information long term. So is there something I can change to evoke more errors?

Those are the two options I tried in the "GTO Trainer" configuration settings
1)Reduced mixed action threshold to 0.5%
2)clicked on Most aggressive action should be 100% (thought this would fix it and mark my decision as an error if it is not the main action the hand wants to use)

but both those options did not chance anything on my end.

Maybe there are some bugs here?

Just had this hand where xR was a 0.5bb mistake but despite it saying so in the betting field I get "0" in the EV mistake field.
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05-28-2021 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DanceMonkey
Maybe there are some bugs here?


1)Reduced mixed action threshold to 0.5%
2)clicked on Most aggressive action should be 100% (thought this would fix it and mark my decision as an error if it is not the main action the hand wants to use)

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The definition of Mixed action threshold is:
- If the threshold is set to X%, then any action chosen by the solver with frequency higher than X% is not considered a EV mistake.

The idea is that the EV for a single hand often fluctuates between iterations and what looks like a EV mistake is not really a mistake if solver chooses this option with significant frequency.

- The "most aggressive action should be 100" setting is only used if you use option "use RNG for mixing purposes" which you seem to have disabled based on the screenshot.

You should enable RNG and then this hand will be shown as mixing error if the generated random number was not between 0 and 1.75 (or 100 and 98.25 depending on the setting) .
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05-28-2021 , 02:16 PM
Can you confirm that in Piosolver 2 the "Load other tree in the same folder" function has slowed down considerably?
Solutions?

In Piosolver 1 it was almost instantaneous.
Obviously I am referring to hundreds of trees in the same folder
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05-29-2021 , 08:11 AM
Hi all,

I have a question regarding constructing villain's range and card elimination for Pio. Lets say my hole cards are AhQh. When constructing the villains range, should I remove these cards from his possible range? For example, vs a NIT, in a 4bet pot, I believe Villains range is the following, so I should remove the Ah for the AA range right?:


Last edited by crfleck; 05-29-2021 at 08:17 AM.
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05-30-2021 , 09:39 AM
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Can you confirm that in Piosolver 2 the "Load other tree in the same folder" function has slowed down considerably?
Solutions?

In Piosolver 1 it was almost instantaneous.
Obviously I am referring to hundreds of trees in the same folder
It's possible as we no longer rely on file names alone.
If you feel that's an issue then please describe your usecase and send to support@piosolver.com

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I have a question regarding constructing villain's range and card elimination for Pio. Lets say my hole cards are AhQh. When constructing the villains range, should I remove these cards from his possible range? For example, vs a NIT, in a 4bet pot, I believe Villains range is the following, so I should remove the Ah for the AA range right?:
There is no need to remove anything it will be handled automatically.
In general trees where you only have one hand don't make sense so make sure you are not doing that.
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06-02-2021 , 10:20 PM
Hi, thanks for the last reply.

I have the EV's from three preflop trees laid out below, adjusting just the 3b size. I am wondering why the EV of OOP and IP both increase. Am I supposed to compare the difference between the two EVs from tree to tree? Am I supposed to just look at OOP EV?

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06-03-2021 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tuffspotz
Hi, thanks for the last reply.

I have the EV's from three preflop trees laid out below, adjusting just the 3b size. I am wondering why the EV of OOP and IP both increase. Am I supposed to compare the difference between the two EVs from tree to tree? Am I supposed to just look at OOP EV?

I'm speculating.
Seems like you're using rake. The higher the 3bet the more folds preflop and more money for both.
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06-03-2021 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by juggler97531
I'm speculating.
Seems like you're using rake. The higher the 3bet the more folds preflop and more money for both.
Yes, good guess. I am using relatively high rake in these sims. So, in high rake environments we should tend to use larger 3b and rfi sizes?

Last edited by tuffspotz; 06-03-2021 at 12:35 PM.
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06-03-2021 , 05:54 PM
Hello,
Why average weighted columns at the end of multiple files report doesn't correspond with weighted averages made in excel? Sometimes it's almost the same and sometimes it differs significantly.



I used weighted column averages using matchups.
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06-04-2021 , 06:34 AM
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Hello,
Why average weighted columns at the end of multiple files report doesn't correspond with weighted averages made in excel? Sometimes it's almost the same and sometimes it differs significantly.
The numbers look very similar and the difference is likely due to rounding error/order of doing operations.
Feel free to send us the report to support@piosolver.com so I will take a look.
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06-05-2021 , 09:29 AM
hello,

lately I got banned for 1 week from winamax because I forgot to close piosolver before I openned the winamax client.

the winamax support told me this:

Please note that, with the latest Piosolver update, it is no longer possible to have both this software and our platform running at the same time. We therefore recommend you install this update in order to avoid any issues in the future.

I have this version of piosolver:

1.9.2.0

and when I try to update it, the updater tells me that everything is up to date. nonetheless pio is starting before I start the winamax client.



Is it true what the winamax support told me, that pio solver wont start when winamax is running?

thanks for your help
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06-05-2021 , 05:37 PM
Looking to do some pio analysis of spread limit games. Where do I find documentation on specifying that kind of syntax for the bet sizes?
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06-06-2021 , 07:08 AM
Hi punter11235
Is there a way to output the command “show_categories” ‘s result for the multiple flops like the" flops aggregation plugin" do? Output all of the results to a .csv file?

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06-06-2021 , 01:47 PM
Hi,

I've just upgraded to version 2 and noticed that while solving seems marginally faster, Build Tree, Save Tree and Load Tree are all very noticeably slower.

When I ran the bench test my result improved from 6.5 on Pio 1 to 5.5 on Pio 2 if that helps provide any context.

Is there anything I can do to improve the speed?

Processor: i7-770k @4.2GHz
RAM: 32GB
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06-07-2021 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by hpoker
Looking to do some pio analysis of spread limit games. Where do I find documentation on specifying that kind of syntax for the bet sizes?
https://piofiles.com/docs/viewer_man...ng__max_spread
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06-07-2021 , 06:31 AM
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lately I got banned for 1 week from winamax because I forgot to close piosolver before I openned the winamax client.

the winamax support told me this:

Please note that, with the latest Piosolver update, it is no longer possible to have both this software and our platform running at the same time. We therefore recommend you install this update in order to avoid any issues in the future.

I have this version of piosolver:

1.9.2.0
We added Winamax to the built-in list of forbidden processes so Pio detects it automatically.
To get that version though you need to run the updater to get the newest version. Yours is very old at this point.
The installer/updater not requiring download links is here:
https://piofiles.com/download/Updater/PioUpdater.exe

or you can find it on downloads&help section on our website if the link above gets removed.

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Is it true what the winamax support told me, that pio solver wont start when winamax is running?
Yes. We implemented that on their request.

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Is there a way to output the command “show_categories” ‘s result for the multiple flops like the" flops aggregation plugin" do? Output all of the results to a .csv file?
You would need to redirect the process output. That will be difficult without some programming experience but is very doable.

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When I ran the bench test my result improved from 6.5 on Pio 1 to 5.5 on Pio 2 if that helps provide any context.
Something is wrong. On a CPU that doesn't have many cores (by many I mean at least 24) the bench should be about 2x faster.
Are you sure you are not running other CPU intentive processes when benching? Are you sure no 3rd party antivirus/file shield or similar nonsense doesn't attempt to scan the files when they are created or the bench is running?

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Processor: i7-770k @4.2GHz
RAM: 32GB
I am assuming you meant i7-7700k. This should produce about 2x faster bench with 2.0 version.
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06-07-2021 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235


I am assuming you meant i7-7700k. This should produce about 2x faster bench with 2.0 version.
Yep, typo. Are there any computer or Pio settings I could be missing?
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06-07-2021 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by juggler97531
thanks so much
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06-07-2021 , 04:33 PM
I was looking at nodelocking and it seems that there isn't a filter for any types of backdoor draws. Any plans on adding these? Seems particularly useful
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06-08-2021 , 07:25 AM
Just got Pio 2.0 and I'm loving it so far. Thank you so much for all the hot key customization functionality.

I've been looking for a hotkey / command I can run to select a turn / river card using the keyboard. The command to change runouts only works when a turn / river node has already been selected, which is not what I need.

Does this hotkey exist / is there a way I can accomplish this?
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