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I don't. I don't think it's very common to lead on the flop from BB if the preflop ranges are correct. From what I remember auto-check is very close to GTO, maybe there is a rare flop where BB has a small leading range but I am not sure.

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Just noticed I can toggle turn cards with ctrl/shift arrows, can I toggle rivers as well?

When you are on the river then ctrl+arrows will change river cards (ctrl + up/down arrows changes ranks, ctrl+ left/right arrows changes suits). Pressing ctrl+shift+arrows on the river changes turn cards even if you are on the river so you don't have to go back to change it.

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02-12-2021 , 08:29 AM

#6928

VvsKing

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 529

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Originally Posted by punter11235

Make small saves instead of full ones.
They are possible to browse smoothly (the solver recalculates missing branches on the fly as you browse). It's more complicated to do node-locking on those and it's impossible to do river aggregation reports. The saves are on average 75x-100x smaller though.

By selecting small saves, from what I understand it is not solving the river. I am looking to do the aggregrated runout frequencies to generate the report to study. Am I losing something when viewing this report of the 247 flops vs doing the full save? I am trying to categorize and study which flops are best for me etc from the excel file report, not individually open them in browser.

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02-13-2021 , 02:22 PM

#6929

houlajk

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 27

[QUOTE=punter11235;56905102]You can use chips = cents to make it simple.
Then Your starting pot will be something like (fore example) 120 chips and starting stacks would be 2500. Rake would be 4.5% and 200 cap.
With rake that big the solutions are not very reliable though (it's not a zero sum game so one true solution doesn't exist). It's depabatable if they are better than no-rake solutions. You need quite a big edge to win in this game anyway. Probably understanding where GTO line is more important than applying no-rake solution.

thx

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02-14-2021 , 05:50 AM

#6930

punter11235

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It's solving the whole tree but only saving flops + turns. The results on those streets are exactly the same as in the full tree. You can still browse rivers (it recalculates them on the fly). Things you can do are those which require access to all rivers (like aggregation reports on the river). Those will require recalculation of the whole tree.

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02-14-2021 , 08:06 PM

#6931

betthehouse

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 1

Having this issue with some sims recently where I include a certain size bet on rivers and the sim does not account for it in the output. For example ran this sim with IP on river having 40%, 75%, couple overbets, and all-in but in the output a 75% sizing is not used. This doesn't happen often but has been an issue occasionally. Is there a setting or something I toggled to trigger this?

https://imgur.com/a/Csvk4fv

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02-15-2021 , 01:34 AM

#6932

punter11235

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The most likely reason is that the bet is rounded to an all-in because of all-in threshold (% of initial stack invested already). This set to 67% by default (visible on the screen).
If you would like us to look at the problem in detail we will need the tree config (copy to clipboard button and then either paste here in [ code ] [ /code ] tags (without spaces) or to pastebin and link here). This way we can recreate the tree exactly. Screenshots are not very reliable for that (as it's easy to make a mistake reading it and not all options are visible on it).

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02-16-2021 , 03:33 AM

#6933

poochie89

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 41

I am sure this was asked before, sorry for bothering

When i create a subtree (on turn for example), add some turn betsizes to the tree, can i run the solver with all possible turns?

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02-16-2021 , 04:38 AM

#6934

punter11235

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I am sure this was asked before, sorry for bothering

When i create a subtree (on turn for example), add some turn betsizes to the tree, can i run the solver with all possible turns?

Not right now but that would be a useful feature.

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02-18-2021 , 09:59 AM

#6935

WayneX2

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190

I've got 20 save files for hands I've solved and I want to export the solutions into text files. I saw this answer you posted to a similar question

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You can call:
stdoutredi yourfile.txt

and all the solver output is going to end up in a file.
Please notice that it will cause the viewer to crash if you run it from the viewer.
You can also load a scrpt and redirect the output to file like this:

PioSOLVER-pro.exe script1.txt > out.txt

I haven't used scripting or the console before and don't understand how to do it. Could you provide easy instructions I can follow please and is it possible to setup a script that could export all 20 at once or will I need to do them 1 by 1?

Thanks

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02-18-2021 , 03:31 PM

#6936

mreps

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Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 618

If i run 5 bet sizes on the flop in bb v btn srp the browser only shows 4. If If run 6 sizes on the flop the browser will show 5. Am i doing something wrong?

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02-19-2021 , 01:35 AM

#6937

punter11235

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I've got 20 save files for hands I've solved and I want to export the solutions into text files. I saw this answer you posted to a similar question

This is not possible as that would way too much data.

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Some basic programming experience is needed to use it for more advanced things like exporting some data from some nodes.
Again, exporting all is not viable because they would be several times bigger than full saves (which are already humongous).

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If i run 5 bet sizes on the flop in bb v btn srp the browser only shows 4. If If run 6 sizes on the flop the browser will show 5. Am i doing something wrong?

It's hard to say without seeing the tree config.
You can get the config to share by clicking "copy to clipboard" button and then uploading it to pastebin and linking or alternatively pasting here in [ code ] [ /code ] tags (without spaces inside).
My first guess would be that some of the bets are rounded to all-in because of all-in threshold.

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02-19-2021 , 03:39 PM

#6938

SGR

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 170

Rake question, how do I correctly input a rake structure of 7.5bb/100 rake (this is according to my tracker)?

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02-19-2021 , 03:47 PM

#6939

punter11235

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Rake question, how do I correctly input a rake structure of 7.5bb/100 rake (this is according to my tracker)?

You need to know % they charge and cap. Sadly 7.5bb/100 can't be easily translated to that.

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02-19-2021 , 04:08 PM

#6940

SGR

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 170

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Originally Posted by punter11235

You need to know % they charge and cap. Sadly 7.5bb/100 can't be easily translated to that.

They say it's at 5% with 3bb cap. But there's other rake for promotions and bonuses so I don't think it's accurate if I just use the 5% 3bb cap.

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02-19-2021 , 04:25 PM

#6941

punter11235

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They say it's at 5% with 3bb cap. But there's other rake for promotions and bonuses so I don't think it's accurate if I just use the 5% 3bb cap.

One thing you could do is to solve one tree with those assumptions. Then look at the sum of EVs for IP and OOP. That will be smaller than a starting pot (because of the rake). Take that difference, see how many bb/100 it is and compare to your 7.5bb target. Then adjust % or cap or both. Sadly if we don't know the exact rake structure there is not much more I can offer than guesswork of this kind.

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02-19-2021 , 04:31 PM

#6942

SGR

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 170

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Originally Posted by punter11235

Will try it. Thanks.

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02-20-2021 , 03:04 PM

#6943

progress

adept

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,108

Hey I'm trying to run a script. I got this error message. "dump tree saving couldn't be completed"

any idea what's going on?

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02-20-2021 , 10:12 PM

#6944

straddle_me

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 846

dumb question but how do you save bet sizings so I can just load them instead of typing them in each time?

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02-21-2021 , 02:01 AM

#6945

Jadupsky

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 37

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Originally Posted by straddle_me

dumb question but how do you save bet sizings so I can just load them instead of typing them in each time?

Postflop Tree Building and Calculations / save current parameters

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02-21-2021 , 07:53 AM

#6946

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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Hey I'm trying to run a script. I got this error message. "dump tree saving couldn't be completed"

any idea what's going on?

Probably your disc is full or you are using some kind of remote storage while providing incorrect path to it.

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dumb question but how do you save bet sizings so I can just load them instead of typing them in each time?

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Postflop Tree Building and Calculations / save current parameters

Yes, some of them are shipped by default as well. Clicking on them will fill the tree config form.
I recommend going over the quick start video. Basic solver functionality is explained there. It will save you some time in the future.

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02-21-2021 , 11:04 AM

#6947

DonnieDonko

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Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 31

is it possible to use set_mes on a preflop tree, so for preflop solving? are any feature thats similar than set_mes for preflop solving?

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02-22-2021 , 02:05 AM

#6948

punter11235

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is it possible to use set_mes on a preflop tree, so for preflop solving? are any feature thats similar than set_mes for preflop solving?

It should work.
That being said set_mes isn't something you want to use unless you have a very specific use case. This just sets a strategy of one player to max exploit against current solution which only magnifies very small imperfections of the solution (if it's a 50-50 mix with 0.001 EV difference, one of the actions is going to be set to 100%).
I am not sure what you mean by "for preflop solving either". Once you use set_mes the solving is over as the solution in the tree becomes so terrible it's better to start from scratch.

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02-22-2021 , 10:39 AM

#6949

DonnieDonko

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Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 31

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Originally Posted by punter11235

i mea for preflop solving. so i solve for example a 487 subset 10bb husng szenario, where the solver uses set_mes for the whole preflop solving process?

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02-22-2021 , 11:15 AM

#6950

punter11235

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i mea for preflop solving. so i solve for example a 487 subset 10bb husng szenario, where the solver uses set_mes for the whole preflop solving process?

It seems to me you are confused about set_mes command. It's not useful for solving. You shouldn't use it unless you have very specific goal in mind. Solving is not that.

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