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10-30-2020 , 12:28 PM
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Hey Piotr i need help understanding here why the solver says to call all these hands but they are severely negative EV
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10-31-2020 , 04:35 AM
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Hey Piotr i need help understanding here why the solver says to call all these hands but they are severely negative EV
It's because the solution is not yet precise enough.
This is a rare line and the mistake is for 0.3% of the pot. Please notice that those hands are probably mostly calls in the equilibrium. The EV is calculated against current solution so it might change from step to step as both we and our opponent adjusts.
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11-02-2020 , 06:46 AM
Good morning!

I'm renting a server to run my PIO-Edge, however immediately after the setup I'm getting this error message, meanwhile the server is definitely new, 'clean', I even turned off firewall, anti-virus, the setup is the recommanded directory..



Pioviewer_log just indicate this btw.

10/26/2020 11:54:49 Access is denied
10/26/2020 11:54:49 at System.Diagnostics.Process.Kill()
at f9.d(String A_0)
at cm.i(String A_0)
at jf.t(String A_0, Boolean A_1)


I don't know what to do else, do you have any tips?
By the way, I've tried something, since I also have a PIO-PRO licence apart, I've tried with it and it works, the problem is really coming especially with the PIO-Edge?

Thanks & have a good day!

Last edited by AsianGotYou; 11-02-2020 at 06:54 AM.
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11-03-2020 , 12:43 AM
Hi,

I am unable to run a script with the cli. My output is:

C:\PioSOLVER_Free>PioSOLVER-free.exe script.txt
PioSOLVER-free 1.9.2 (Sep 4 2016, 23:39:57)
(c) Piotr Lopusiewicz
load_script script.txt
ERROR: Command load_script not recognized


As you can see, its not reading in the script file as an argument nor allowing me to call load_script. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
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11-03-2020 , 05:09 AM
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I'm renting a server to run my PIO-Edge, however immediately after the setup I'm getting this error message, meanwhile the server is definitely new, 'clean', I even turned off firewall, anti-virus, the setup is the recommended directory..
It's hard to guess but maybe it's some kind of old CPU on the server? Please PM me your server specifications (exact CPU name, Windows version). Meanwhile you can try old_cpu version by copying the executable from custom compiles folder to the main one and connecting to it.

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s you can see, its not reading in the script file as an argument nor allowing me to call load_script. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
The free version doesn't support scripts (the basic version doesn't support it either).
You can use the text API though as a programmer.

Last edited by punter11235; 11-03-2020 at 05:32 AM.
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11-03-2020 , 01:32 PM
Ok, thanks.

Can you load a tree building config from file with the cli? Something like:

#TreeBuilding#V2
#Range0#AA,KK,QQ
#Range1#AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT
...
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11-03-2020 , 05:29 PM
Hey Punter,

I want to start renting a server to run some sims because my pc is bad.
I have the pro version, can I install the same licence on the server? Or do I have to do something else?

thanks
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11-05-2020 , 01:54 AM
Does anyone know if there is a way to copy ranges from simple postflop into piosolver or easily convert them to a usable file without manually creating the range in pio?
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11-05-2020 , 07:18 PM
Is it possible to set remove lines directly on the turn?

On the flop I have 3 size and setting the remove line turn for each possible branch of the flop becomes very complicated.
I would like to set a different raise size for each bet size used on the turn, regardless of what happens on the flop.

ex.
Turn bet size 33% pot -> XR 4x
Turn bet size 100% pot -> XR 2.5x
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11-05-2020 , 10:09 PM
Hi,

I have a few questions. Firstly I purchased Pio basic recently and I've realized that my system is a bit out of date to run sims efficiently, I'm due for an upgrade. I have an i5 7600 with 16GB of somewhat slow RAM right now.

I'm eyeing the latest Ryzen series of CPUs that have been announced and considering my options. My questions:

1. How much of a performance bump would I see going from Pio basic -> pro on a modern Ryzen CPU? Options are 6 core, 8 core, 12 core, 16 core, and I'd probably buy either 8 or 12. Just wondering how much of a perf hit there is being thread-bound to only 6 threads.

2. When I am looking at benchmarks which workstation type benchmarks are most comparable to Pio performance so I know how to best compare? For example Gamer's Nexus shows a variety of benchmarks across 7-zip, Blender, ffmpeg encoding, Chromium code compile, and Cinebench.

3. Any other tips for my PC upgrade? 16GB vs 32GB of RAM for larger trees? I am already running into 16GB not being enough if I have allin for turn+ and I allow a few different bet and donk sizes in some of my sims. In practice do most people run more than 16GB of RAM or do most people not allow that much variance in their trees when building them?

Thanks!
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11-06-2020 , 01:39 PM
There is one thing I don’t understand, when I run an aggregated reports just for a specific board the frequency of betting and checking are different then if I choose the same ones in the pio simulation? Why is that? For example if I choose manually Th for the turn inside the main pio display it says to bet 65% but if I look for it in the aggregated reports it says to bet a different amount of time
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11-07-2020 , 03:20 PM
Hi

somehow my pio is getting slower and I dont know why. Does anybody has any ideas how to improve the peformance.
It only uses about 25% of my cpu

My pc details:
Win 10
Processor AMD ryzen 3970x 32 core
64gb ram
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11-08-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Ok, thanks.

Can you load a tree building config from file with the cli? Something like:
The lines starting with # are just for PioViewer.
You can load the whole script by using load_script command though. Try it with saved configs and it will work.

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I want to start renting a server to run some sims because my pc is bad.
I have the pro version, can I install the same licence on the server? Or do I have to do something else?
You can do it as long as it's a dedicated server. It won't work on cloud instances.

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Does anyone know if there is a way to copy ranges from simple postflop into piosolver or easily convert them to a usable file without manually creating the range in pio?
I don't unfortunately. If it's possible depends if their format is readable or not.

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Is it possible to set remove lines directly on the turn?

On the flop I have 3 size and setting the remove line turn for each possible branch of the flop becomes very complicated.
I would like to set a different raise size for each bet size used on the turn, regardless of what happens on the flop.
Unfortunately there is not a good way to do it at the moment.

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I'm eyeing the latest Ryzen series of CPUs that have been announced and considering my options. My questions:

1. How much of a performance bump would I see going from Pio basic -> pro on a modern Ryzen CPU? Options are 6 core, 8 core, 12 core, 16 core, and I'd probably buy either 8 or 12. Just wondering how much of a perf hit there is being thread-bound to only 6 threads.
probably around 15% on 6 core, around 50% on 8 core and maybe like 120% on 12 core.

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2. When I am looking at benchmarks which workstation type benchmarks are most comparable to Pio performance so I know how to best compare? For example Gamer's Nexus shows a variety of benchmarks across 7-zip, Blender, ffmpeg encoding, Chromium code compile, and Cinebench.
I really don't know. Pio scales pretty well (at least up to 32 physical cores) so choose one which scales well as well.

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3. Any other tips for my PC upgrade? 16GB vs 32GB of RAM for larger trees? I am already running into 16GB not being enough if I have allin for turn+ and I allow a few different bet and donk sizes in some of my sims. In practice do most people run more than 16GB of RAM or do most people not allow that much variance in their trees when building them?
Hard to say what most people run anymore unfortunately. My view is that you don't really need more than 16GB for postflop but it appears you need it and quite a lot of others want it as well. Those trees are very slow to solve though.
I am really not in a position to make that call for you. You can estimate what you might need and choose your setup accordingly. It might be a good idea to leave space for potential RAM upgrade in the future.

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There is one thing I don’t understand, when I run an aggregated reports just for a specific board the frequency of betting and checking are different then if I choose the same ones in the pio simulation? Why is that? For example if I choose manually Th for the turn inside the main pio display it says to bet 65% but if I look for it in the aggregated reports it says to bet a different amount of time
Reports contain real frequencies and we show frequencies from the point of view of one player in the viewer by default (it's possible to change it in Tools->Configuration). See here:
https://piofiles.com/faq/#GTO_concept__real_frequency

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somehow my pio is getting slower and I dont know why. Does anybody has any ideas how to improve the peformance.
It only uses about 25% of my cpu

My pc details:
Win 10
Processor AMD ryzen 3970x 32 core
64gb ram
1)Energy saving settings?
2)Cooling issues?

I have the same CPU and it works great on it so likely something in your system is not functioning properly right now.
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11-08-2020 , 08:25 PM
Is there anywhere I can find a detailed explanation of how to interpret the graph given in range explorer?
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11-09-2020 , 02:45 PM
Hi


In the last few days I get this message every time I try to start Pio depsite the fact I have no poker clients running

https://gyazo.com/0bfc5dde72c4db84f2108d71e8aeab60

Please can you help ?

Many thanks
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11-10-2020 , 03:46 AM
I want to script spots i play quite regularly like all hands i 3b from SB and BTN calls and so forth but everytime i input the board manually in the script function and choose weight it says its been input incorrect and i don't know why?
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11-10-2020 , 05:30 AM
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Is there anywhere I can find a detailed explanation of how to interpret the graph given in range explorer?
There isn't.
Any specific line you have problems with it?

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In the last few days I get this message every time I try to start Pio depsite the fact I have no poker clients running
Are you using Hand2Note? Sadly they spawn a process with PokerStars in name which triggers our detection system. We could fix it by making detection weaker but then maybe if PokerStars changes process name (to something like pokerstarsEU.exe for example) we won't detect it. They could fix it by not having pokerstars.exe in name but they are unwilling to do so.
So here we are with this problem. I am not sure what to do about it yet.

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I want to script spots i play quite regularly like all hands i 3b from SB and BTN calls and so forth but everytime i input the board manually in the script function and choose weight it says its been input incorrect and i don't know why?
We would need to see what you are inputting exactly.
Maybe try generating some flops by random and see what's the format for weights and then try to imitate it.
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11-10-2020 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
There isn't.
Any specific line you have problems with it?
Is it true that for both ranges the lowest EV hand is at 0 on the x-axis and the highest at 100 and then all other combinations are spaced along the x-axis evenly between them? There seem to be horizontal gaps even before any action is taken, are these there because the board blocks the combinations that would have that amount of EV?
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11-11-2020 , 10:44 AM
Punter (or anyone else), can you provide information on how to use the "Remove lines" feature in tree building?

I want to configure a sim such that when flop goes check|check, the IP player is only allowed to use one sizing. But, if flop goes bet|call or check|bet|call, two sizes are available. (And same for river: if we have checked through to river, one size is available)
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11-11-2020 , 06:04 PM
When you open a postflop tree and its big for example single raise pot 200bb deep. Pioviewer loads it for 2-3-5 seconds. i thought this is because I am using HDD WD digital with low READ speed. I bought SSD nvme last generation 10x faster and the result is not satisfying. Its not snapier...
Does the RAM speed matter or CPU ?
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11-12-2020 , 12:00 AM
Is there a preferred subset for running postflop spots?

I just ran a spot using the 120 flops subset, and did an agg report over all the saves. The flops in the agg report are overwhelmingly paired boards, like eyeballing it I would say 70-80% of them.

This feels off to me, thought I would imagine if there were postflop subsets they'd be packaged along as well.
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11-12-2020 , 03:05 AM
Hey punter!

I have a Ryzen 3950X with 16 Cores and the pro version. I have turned off virtualization so I don't get 32 Cores, which cause me to load the CPU at 50% only before. But now it is only using half of my CPU-load. What could be the reason for that?

Thanks for your help
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11-12-2020 , 07:45 AM
Is it possible to lock turn average bet frequency on multiple turn cards?

For example, after flop cbet I would like to decrease 50% of frequency on all turn cards, but not doing it card by card.
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11-12-2020 , 07:55 AM
Is there a channel where we can discuss solutions i have alot of questions about multiple sims i have ran that i dont understand which one combo does one thing and another differently.
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11-12-2020 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GTOfish
Is there a channel where we can discuss solutions i have alot of questions about multiple sims i have ran that i dont understand which one combo does one thing and another differently.
Try the Poker Theory section of the forum.
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