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In script generation window it is said that weights will be used by multiflop aggr. reports.

Could you please answer in detail how exactly they will be used? Will just handsEV.csv be taken into account or a report one either? Do weights have an influence on action frequencies?

I am trying to understand is it necessary to use weights for my postflop studying.

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11-29-2017 , 08:58 AM

#3353

punter11235

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Can PLO Calc be installed on two computers per license?

Yes and if it doens't work please email support with your key.

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They will be used when creating multifile reports and only for that.

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Do weights have an influence on action frequencies?

Only on aggregated ones in multifile report.

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I am trying to understand is it necessary to use weights for my postflop studying.

If you are browsing a single tree the weight doesn't matter.

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11-29-2017 , 12:35 PM

#3354

Novembersdoom

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Originally Posted by punter11235

They will be used when creating multifile reports and only for that.
Only on aggregated ones in multifile report.

When AggregatedReport is done Pio creates two .csv files - handsEV and report.

handsEV.csv includes EV, Equity, EQR, Matchups columns (with no flop reference). I have no problem with understanding how flop weights influence on all that.

report.csv includes OOP Equity,OOP EV,OOP EQR,IP Equity,IP EV,IP EQR and action frequencies columns per flop. I dont understand how flop weights influence on that info. As I see all frequencies are the same as when browsing a single tree (except actions but i suppose its because of this thing(clickable), not because of flop weights.

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11-29-2017 , 05:10 PM

#3355

cagakdemir

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I have a question for node locking? Is there an easy way to create ranges for node locking other than manually selecting them?

For example, i want oop to bet top pair+, draws and air in card runners ev fashion. Then lock that node and run the sim again. What is the simplest, fastest way to do that?

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11-30-2017 , 01:06 AM

#3356

Dom11

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Can Pio Solver solve GTO preflop situations for example
the raise/shove game Will Tipton discusses in his books
accounting for card removal effects at different stack sizes
e.g. 10bb 15bb.

And can this be modifdified for maximum exploit
by editing the ranges the BB will shove vs min raise
e.g. the maximally exploitative strategy in a Heads Up
sit n go at 10bb if sb can only min raise and the BB
will fold or go allin with 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K6o+ Q6s+ Q8o+
J8s+ J9o+ T9s for example.

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11-30-2017 , 04:31 AM

#3357

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report.csv includes OOP Equity,OOP EV,OOP EQR,IP Equity,IP EV,IP EQR and action frequencies columns per flop.

Weights only influence rows which are averages across all flops. This is the line which doesn't have the flop next to it.

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I dont understand how flop weights influence on that info.

It doesn't. It only influences things which are calculated across many flops (weighted averages).

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As I see all frequencies are the same as when browsing a single tree (except actions but i suppose its because of this thing(clickable), not because of flop weights.

Yes. You can also change the way action frequency is displayed or you can wait till the next release (hopefully early next week), we will be displaying both information (real frequency as well as frequency from the point of view of the player).

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I have a question for node locking? Is there an easy way to create ranges for node locking other than manually selecting them?

You can prepare then in Range Explorer and copy-paste. The interface will be improved a bit in the next release as well (it will be easier to go to range explorer from there).

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For example, i want oop to bet top pair+, draws and air in card runners ev fashion. Then lock that node and run the sim again. What is the simplest, fastest way to do that?

Wait till 1.10 version

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Can Pio Solver solve GTO preflop situations for example
the raise/shove game Will Tipton discusses in his books
accounting for card removal effects at different stack sizes
e.g. 10bb 15bb.

The edge version has a preflop solver. I've solved 20bb HU yesterday testing 1.10 release. Here is how it looks:

1)You first construct a preflop betting structure, like this:
https://gyazo.com/399c7754b90e8464e09efc99535db45b

2)In the green nodes which are preflop exits you fill up postflop play, like here:
https://gyazo.com/fe128660769bcc41e60d0234eb6843fb

3)Now you run the solver (this may take many hours and requires very serious hardware to run) and browse the results. Some spoilers:

Opening strategy+EV for SB:
https://gyazo.com/dab8a308c0027028e5ac00b27dcce378

Responding to minraise:
https://gyazo.com/5a02a5b5728f040d9bcc7dc00ef782a5

Responding to a small 3bet:
https://gyazo.com/7112a25186ab6a5779580c312e06cd46

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And can this be modifdified for maximum exploit
by editing the ranges the BB will shove vs min raise

Max exploit only makes sense if you modify the strategy across the whole tree which is not practical as the tree is humongous. You can only change strategy at some point and calculate max exploit with the assumption the opponent plays the same as optimal in other places but this is not a very likely scenario. You can also solve the tree with locked assumptions (then the opponent plays optimally but has to follow the actions you locked).

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e.g. the maximally exploitative strategy in a Heads Up
sit n go at 10bb if sb can only min raise and the BB
will fold or go allin with 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K6o+ Q6s+ Q8o+
J8s+ J9o+ T9s for example.

This doesn't have postflop play. Pio solves those games in 1-2 seconds and you can do that with a free version.

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11-30-2017 , 11:12 AM

#3358

Dom11

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Ok how do I set up pio solver to solve a solution with no post flop play.
For example Effective stacks 100 OOP Player Money in the pot 10
IP Player Money in the pot 5 sb min raises 20 and BB Fold or Raise to 100.

Last edited by Dom11; 11-30-2017 at 11:27 AM.

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11-30-2017 , 12:07 PM

#3359

Dom11

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What I'm looking for is a software that can solve the minbet/shove game.
And the GTO Ranges of the minbet/shove game at stack sizes e.g. 10 to 20.
What you discused here https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ategy-1306450/.
Can Piosolver do this? And If not where can I find this.
Your help is greatly appreciated.

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11-30-2017 , 12:24 PM

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1)Copy this:

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#BB#0
#PreflopRake.Cap#0
#PreflopRake.Fraction#0
#PreflopRake.Enabled#False
#Pot#10 5 0
#Stack#100
#Nodes
#0.0#Raise_20
#0.1#Fold
#0.0.0#Raise_100
#0.0.1#Fold
#0.0.0.0#CheckCall
#0.0.0.1#Fold
#FlopConfigs

and go to Tools->Paste Treebuilding Config from clipboard

2)click "Build pure preflop tree (no flop exits) button
3)go to Postflop Treebuilding and Calculation tab and click go. After a while click stop.
4)Browse the results

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Pio does this. If there is no postflop play (like in your game) then even free version of Pio can do it.

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11-30-2017 , 02:07 PM

#3361

Dom11

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 5

Yeah that's what I was looking for thanks

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12-01-2017 , 08:51 AM

#3362

Fasteddie70

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 21

HI,

Is it possible in PIO to check the average Frequencies for all Turn and River Combinations ?

For example: I want to solve for the Line

CO vs BB ,CO check behind Flop, Call Turn and Fold River on a subset of flops .

Is it possible to get the avg Fold Frequency for CO on all possible Flops and Runouts ?

Thanks in advance

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12-01-2017 , 09:56 AM

#3363

punter11235

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CO vs BB ,CO check behind Flop, Call Turn and Fold River on a subset of flops .

Is it possible to get the avg Fold Frequency for CO on all possible Flops and Runouts ?

The preflop solver shows it in right upper corner as long as you have the feature enabled (Tools->Configuration->Data Presentation - other->don't show average line frequency when browsing the tree should be unchecked).

It shows it as long as you have full tree in memory. The reason one may want to disable this feature is that it takes a while to calculate which slows down browsing.

If you solve the spot with postflop solver on subset of flops then all you need is to run a multifile aggregation report in the decision point of interest and it will show you aggregated frequencies for that point.

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12-01-2017 , 01:23 PM

#3364

RiverJohn

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Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 397

I apologize for the reposts, but these two questions were overlooked:

1. I have a beginner's question:

I set ranges for an a BTN ISO, with only the SB calling the raise. (LJ limped, BTN Raise 5x, SB Call, rest Fold)

OOP EV is obviously superior with "reasonable" ranges. As an example, on a board of 4h2h2d:
EV OOP is: 29.8
EV IP is: 19.2

My question is: Is there a setting for Piosolver to take Preflop action into account? In other words, can I designate who was the Preflop raiser? The solved strategy has OOP donk-betting 95% of the time. Or for purposes of GTO, do we disregard Preflop action and it doesn't matter who was the Preflop raiser...only taking ranges into account?

I understand that we can force OOP to check, but I'm looking for the GTO line.
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2. After running a simulation, is there a way to tell for each player with what total frequencies each bet-sizing action is taken beyond the Flop? (<<<This one seems to have just been answered in the post immediately preceding this one...)

In other words, if I have five bet sizes for each player both Turn and River, can I view a cumulative frequency of each bet size among all runouts? In this way, I can make the tree smaller and more understandable by getting rid of certain bet sizes.

For example, in my current simulation, I have assigned Turn and River bet sizes of 30, 50, 75, 100, and 150. The bet sizes of 75 and 100 are used <5% across all scenarios, so I will eliminate those (and perhaps add others) and re-run the simulation.

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12-01-2017 , 02:39 PM

#3365

punter11235

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I apologize for the reposts, but these two questions were overlooked:

I think I've answered them here:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=3344

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Is there a setting for Piosolver to take Preflop action into account? In other words, can I designate who was the Preflop raiser? The solved strategy has OOP donk-betting 95% of the time. Or for purposes of GTO, do we disregard Preflop action and it doesn't matter who was the Preflop raiser...only taking ranges into account?

Again, there isn't because it doesn't matter. Only ranges matter. If you are getting OOP bet as frequent it's likely you assigned too strong a range to OOP or too weak one for IP or maybe some other betting options in the tree are missing so OOP can't be punished for betting almost all flops.

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2. After running a simulation, is there a way to tell for each player with what total frequencies each bet-sizing action is taken beyond the Flop?

Quoting my previous post:

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Yes, there are total line frequencies (across all runouts) displayed in the right upper corner when you browse the tree. Those ones:
https://gyazo.com/4a88abf72ef89bfdb9746aac863343b6

There is also an option to list all line frequencies but it's not included in the graphical interface at the moment. It's the best to wait till next release before using that feature.

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12-01-2017 , 04:57 PM

#3366

GrindBox

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 209

in theory is there an optimal bet size/sizes in different spots?

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12-01-2017 , 06:35 PM

#3367

punter11235

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in theory is there an optimal bet size/sizes in different spots?

Yes, there might more than one though for some spots and maybe for some others it's enough to use one.
At this point it's very hard to say more as trees with multiple bet sizes get big fast and solving them to accuracy good enough to compare minuscule EV diffrences between close bet sizes (or adding say 3rd one to two already reasonable ones) is not practical.

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12-02-2017 , 07:21 PM

#3368

Gutshot Master

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Hi!

I have couple of questions about PioCloud solutions. As far as I understand, these are preflop-only packs and in order to get postflop solutions for these ranges, you have to run simulations by yourself in Pio Basic+ versions of the software?

If I buy PioSolver Pro with 2 activations and some kind of ready pack, I will be able to open and use this pack at both desktops/laptops separately, right?

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12-03-2017 , 04:06 AM

#3369

punter11235

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I have couple of questions about PioCloud solutions. As far as I understand, these are preflop-only packs and in order to get postflop solutions for these ranges, you have to run simulations by yourself in Pio Basic+ versions of the software?

There is postflop play in them as well although only on subset of flops (around 80-100 flops used for solving the trees) and the precision of preflop solver postflop isn't as good either while the betsizing options were limited. You can browse postflop as well although it's a better idea to re-run postflops with more bet size options and more precision with the postflop solver.

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If I buy PioSolver Pro with 2 activations and some kind of ready pack, I will be able to open and use this pack at both desktops/laptops separately, right?

You can open and browse preflop solutions with both pro and basic versions.

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12-03-2017 , 08:46 AM

#3370

Gutshot Master

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Originally Posted by punter11235

it's a better idea to re-run postflops with more bet size options and more precision with the postflop solver.

I apologize for a noob question, but what's the routine for calculating postflop when the preflop is known? For example, I buy a pack and download 25bb HU SNG preflop solved ranges in postflop solver. Should I run every of 184 flops one by one after that or is there an opportunity to calculate postflop on the subset with given preflop ranges by 1 calculation?

Also, I have an old laptop ( icore 5 and 8 GB RAM, Win 10 64x though). Am I going to be able to calculate postflop with no limitations (like 100bb HU cash SRP with multiple flop c-bet sizings)?

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Originally Posted by punter11235

You can open and browse preflop solutions with both pro and basic versions.

Got it. What I'm asking about is an opportunity to open this pack simultaneously on two different desktops (with one Pio license though) and work with it.

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12-03-2017 , 08:57 AM

#3371

punter11235

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I apologize for a noob question, but what's the routine for calculating postflop when the preflop is known?

Copy ranges for preflop exits (you can also generate a chart with them or save them in range selector for future reference) and then fill in flop/bet sizes etc. and solve.

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Should I run every of 184 flops one by one

There is no reason to limit yourself to 184flops. You can just run them as needed on flop of choice (for example ones you encounter when playing).

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or is there an opportunity to calculate postflop on the subset with given preflop ranges by 1 calculation?

That's available in the pro version.

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Also, I have an old laptop ( icore 5 and 8 GB RAM, Win 10 64x though). Am I going to be able to calculate postflop with no limitations (like 100bb HU cash SRP with multiple flop c-bet sizings)?

It's always possible to build a bigger tree so any computer has limitations. 8GB is enough for sizeable postflop trees but once you want use multiple bet sizes (more than 2 here and there) it might be limiting.
You can test it with a free version, it solves one flop (Qs Jh 2h) so you can see how big various trees are and how fast they are solved.
If it's a dual core i5 then it's going to be pretty slow.

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Got it. What I'm asking about is an opportunity to open this pack simultaneously on two different desktops (with one Pio license though) and work with it.

Pro license can be used on 2 computers. Basic is for one computer.

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12-03-2017 , 04:39 PM

#3372

Evoxgsr96

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What is the strategy button below the strategy +EV button used for?

And why does the strategy button show different EV's for hand combos compared to strategy +EV?

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12-03-2017 , 05:46 PM

#3373

AguaPorFavor

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PIOSolver 2.0 coming out soon?

Care to share?

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12-03-2017 , 06:19 PM

#3374

punter11235

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What is the strategy button below the strategy +EV button used for?

To show strategies (so the information displayed in 13x13 grid as well as zoom view is strategy, not EV). In strategy+ev the strategy is only represented by colors, the numbers are EV.

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And why does the strategy button show different EV's for hand combos compared to strategy +EV?

It doesn't show EV at all, it shows strategy

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PIOSolver 2.0 coming out soon?

Not yet! For now 1.10 version is coming. There is also PLO solver to release and some other things we work on so it's hard to say when 2.0 happens.