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02-28-2018 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
You can follow the quick start guide here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnzFpjSr3Lk

The free version solves one flop (Qs Jh 2h) which is the one considered in the quick start video.



It means the strategies are 97.2 - 2.8 in the current approximation. Maybe if you solve to better accuracy/longer time it would become 100-0. It's difficult to guess without actually seeing more precise results.
ty sir
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02-28-2018 , 01:52 AM
[QUOTE=punter11235;53481350]You can follow the quick start guide here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnzFpjSr3Lk

The free version solves one flop (Qs Jh 2h) which is the one considered in the quick start video.

Watched, I meant any tutorial for free version that solves turn and river spots.
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02-28-2018 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
Yeah, this is a good idea. At least for the lines where opponents always checks/call it will be easy to compare.
Together with my other request (hotness for hole cards): My main intentions is to improve/help memorizing the strategies. These two options would make the strategies less abstract as they help to see what's the plan.
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02-28-2018 , 03:39 AM
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Watched, I meant any tutorial for free version that solves turn and river spots.
I am not sure what you need but if you want to solve turn or river spot just provide more cards in "board" field and then solve the same way it would be on the flop.
Please notice that I answer a lot of emails/posts a day. If there was more context or you described what you need specifically it would make my life much easier if you quote the context.

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Together with my other request (hotness for hole cards)
Yes, this is a good idea as well
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02-28-2018 , 07:35 AM
Hello!

From reading the PIO webiste I have understood that I should get a desktop computer with AMD. I suck at computers thought, so I dont know if I should get AMD A8, A9 and so on?

Also...what I am looking for when deciding what computer to buy is 16 GGB RAM, intel Core i7, AMD(?) and Windows 64.

Anything else?

Should I go for a gaming computer? A computer suited for creative work or not?

Sorry..but I am sooo bad at computers. Hope someone will help me.

P.s I dont want to buy the cheapest computer- just a computer that will be good enough so that I dont need to buy another later.
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02-28-2018 , 08:52 AM
Hey,

got a problem with my solver, tried to open a tree from dropbox and there i get following error:



my solver is up to date and i used the suggested solver, still the same error :/
Friend of mine could load it without problems, so i dont know where the error could be come from.
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02-28-2018 , 09:32 AM
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From reading the PIO webiste I have understood that I should get a desktop computer with AMD.
We explicitly warn about AMD CPUs. Yes, they offer the best performance/price ratio by far but you really need to know what you are doing when assembling those computers. A lot of people got unstable builds even when assembled by "professional" shops. Some of our customers managed to build stable setups but those were usually either hardware enthusiasts or people who copied successful builds from others.
If you are getting an AMD CPU you need Ryzen or ThreadRipper. Speed is proportional to number of physical cores multiplied by based frequency they run on so it's easy to compare the performance and decide.

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Also...what I am looking for when deciding what computer to buy is 16 GGB RAM, intel Core i7, AMD(?) and Windows 64.
16GB of RAM will be enough for postflop trees although you may want to go for 32GB if budget allows as at some point in the future it's likely we offer an option to speed-up at the solver significantly if more RAM is available.

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Anything else?

Should I go for a gaming computer? A computer suited for creative work or not?
For Pio you just need a CPU and RAM. Usually gaming and "creative work" computers have powerful GPUs which you don't need at all.
You should likely find someone who can help with the configuration. It's always question of how much you want to spend and what performance you expect. You would also like to avoid spending money on stuff you won't use (like powerful GPU).

If you want to run preflop trees (or PLO at some point) in the future you will need 64GB of RAM which becomes very expensive.

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my solver is up to date and i used the suggested solver, still the same error :/
Friend of mine could load it without problems, so i dont know where the error could be come from.
Are you on 1.10.13 version? (About in the top menu gives the number).
If not, please run the installer/updater here with the force update checkbox:

https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news/piosolver-1-10
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02-28-2018 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
We explicitly warn about AMD CPUs. Yes, they offer the best performance/price ratio by far but you really need to know what you are doing when assembling those computers. A lot of people got unstable builds even when assembled by "professional" shops. Some of our customers managed to build stable setups but those were usually either hardware enthusiasts or people who copied successful builds from others.
If you are getting an AMD CPU you need Ryzen or ThreadRipper. Speed is proportional to number of physical cores multiplied by based frequency they run on so it's easy to compare the performance and decide.

Running this setup across three machines in the office here. These are 100% dedicated to PIO and generally speaking not a problem to be had with them.

CPU – AMD Ryzen 1950x Threadripper ($699 – Microcenter.com Nov/2017)
Memory – 128GB G.SKILL TridentZ Series ($699 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Board – AsRock x399 Fataility ($449 – Microcenter Nov/2017)
Video – ASUS HD 6000 Radeon HD 6450 ($42 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Storage – SAMSUNG 850 PRO 2.5″ 512GB ($220 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Power – EVGA SuperNOVA 750 Gold ($110 – Newegg.com Aug/2016)
Case – Corsair C400 White ($94 – Microcenter.com Nov/2017)
Cooling – Enermax Liqtech TR4 ($154 – Newegg.com Dec/2017)

OS - Windows Server 2012 & 2016

PIO Bench Command - 1.98 to 2.00 with OC to 4.0ghz


Last edited by BetStack; 02-28-2018 at 10:42 AM.
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02-28-2018 , 11:58 AM
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Running this setup across three machines in the office here. These are 100% dedicated to PIO and generally speaking not a problem to be had with them.
Thanks, this is very useful. I will be linking to this post as an example of a stable build

For people who don't know anything about hardware:
This is an example of a high end build, the performance is better than most dual CPU work stations (and about 5x faster than MacBook pro). If you want a cheaper machine look into 8 core Ryzens and less RAM as those are the most expensive components.
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02-28-2018 , 02:42 PM
hello, i just bought piosolver and i cant use node locking because i always get this message
"cant do nodelocking on an imcomplete tree" but my tree is completed
i always set it to 0.25% of the pot
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02-28-2018 , 06:23 PM
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hello, i just bought piosolver and i cant use node locking because i always get this message
"cant do nodelocking on an imcomplete tree" but my tree is completed
i always set it to 0.25% of the pot
Node-locking requires full tree. If you make a small save (without rivers or turn+river) then it's impossible to recalculate EVs or trees. The way around is to build a new full tree, lock nodes and then solve it. You can also make full tree saves but that isn't a good idea because those trees take a lot of space and solving from scratch is as fast anyway.
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03-01-2018 , 05:22 AM
Thank you
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03-01-2018 , 08:22 PM
Is piosolver broken for anyone else???

Everytime i nodelock a spot and then want to have the original nash strategy and click run the solver again it won't ****ing show the original nash strategy whatever i try, and it's ****ing infuriating if you have locks on earlier streets fix this ****.
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03-02-2018 , 04:07 AM
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Everytime i nodelock a spot and then want to have the original nash strategy and click run the solver again it won't ****ing show the original nash strategy whatever i try, and it's ****ing infuriating if you have locks on earlier streets fix this ****.
I am not sure what's your problem is. Once you change strategy and lock a node then original Nash strategy is gone, it's not possible to recover it unless you saved the tree before.
I am also not sure how having locks on earlier streets relates to your problem. Once you lock something on an earlier street/node then the resulting ranges change (but the strategies are the same until you re-solve).

Can you please follow the guidelines about bug reports, here:
https://www.piosolver.com/pages/faq (question 7)

It's very hard to guess what the problem is from your description.
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03-05-2018 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BetStack

OS - Windows Server 2012 & 2016

PIO Bench Command - 1.98 to 2.00 with OC to 4.0ghz
any reason to run win server performance wise?

1950x @4ghz with 64gb(4x16) @3200 cl 14 on asus zenith extreme, min bench i was able to get is ~2.54. not sure if, and how much, amount of ram influence speed?
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03-05-2018 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by petarlazovic
any reason to run win server performance wise?

1950x @4ghz with 64gb(4x16) @3200 cl 14 on asus zenith extreme, min bench i was able to get is ~2.54. not sure if, and how much, amount of ram influence speed?
Stock 1950x min bench 2 on win10 home default ram

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03-05-2018 , 04:21 AM
Hello, would I be able to solve preflop spots efficiently with a new ~2k$ pc?
Let's say tree would be:
Preflop 100bb deep 1 raise sizing + Limp and postflop 1 sizing each street?
How long would it take to solve these kind of trees?

Thank you for answer in advance
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03-05-2018 , 04:58 AM
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1950x @4ghz with 64gb(4x16) @3200 cl 14 on asus zenith extreme, min bench i was able to get is ~2.54. not sure if, and how much, amount of ram influence speed?
Is it an edge version? Any 3rd party antivirus? (those drain resources a lot). Energy saving settings?

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Hello, would I be able to solve preflop spots efficiently with a new ~2k$ pc?
Let's say tree would be:
Preflop 100bb deep 1 raise sizing + Limp and postflop 1 sizing each street?
How long would it take to solve these kind of trees?
2k buys you very different things depending on country/region/available deals at the moment. Probably around 6h-8h per tree but it's really hard to say without seeing specifics about the setup.
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03-05-2018 , 09:02 AM
Is there an easy way to eliminate 0.1 edge hands from node locking instead of weighting 0 and remove hand by hand manually?
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03-05-2018 , 11:20 AM
https://gyazo.com/32363fe50e2fc7ae59a71a4f796d551b

How is the EV value in 13x13 grid determined?
In above example I'm puzzled by the big difference between B108 and CHECK values (40 vs. 25) in the main window, while in the 4x4 differences between CHECK and B108 are so small?
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03-05-2018 , 04:49 PM
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Is there an easy way to eliminate 0.1 edge hands from node locking instead of weighting 0 and remove hand by hand manually?
When node-locking there needs to be a strategy for all the hands in range. I am not sure what you mean by "removing" them.

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How is the EV value in 13x13 grid determined?
Are you on 1.10.13 version? It's weighted by current probability of occurring (how many combos in range) right now. Before it was not very well thought out way to weight them (hands which were raising more often got more weight).
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03-05-2018 , 06:07 PM
https://prnt.sc/inbtm6

I mean if there is an easier way to remove bulk hands instead of weighting 0 and remove hand by hand. In this example I would like to remove any hand with value between 0.00000-0.120000
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03-06-2018 , 04:44 AM
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I mean if there is an easier way to remove bulk hands instead of weighting 0 and remove hand by hand. In this example I would like to remove any hand with value between 0.00000-0.120000
There is no way to do that right now (you can round but that will affect other hands as well).
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03-06-2018 , 08:01 AM
Hello, i see there is an option to display the strategy of desired node at the end of a script, but how can i save it ? (or at least copy it to the clipboard?)
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03-07-2018 , 06:50 AM
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Hello, i see there is an option to display the strategy of desired node at the end of a script
I am really not sure which feature you mean here. Maybe provide some screenshot or description where it is. It's likely some kind of misunderstanding.
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