It shouldnt be too hard to just display a warning/notification and not lock you out, but i know dave had an ahk script that done something similar, not sure if its still working or not though so try searching for that thread. The reason i didnt add the option yet is i didnt think people would find it too useful for 2 reasons

1) I usually have HM running and have a habit of checking my stats every few mins to see what im up down
2) I find the problem is not that i dont know when to stop, but i need that extra help by someone or something forcing me to stop so a notification wouldnt be enough for me

But thats my personal preference, if you think that it would be useful ill certainly add that option to the todo list, most of these requests will be pretty simple so once we get the core functionality working properly well get to work on these suggestions

I used that for a while - it took an eternity to get to work and when it finally did, it suddenly one day stopped working. _dave_ isn't following the thread for it anymore and while there are others who are doing a great job of helping in it, it really is a very cumbersome solution. I've given up on it as it caused more frustration than it was worth.

1) is exactly my main reason for wanting something like this. I need to get away from checking my balance every 5 minutes, but also need a 'safety net' that will let me know if I'm losing too much.

Looking at my balance constantly interrupts my focus and also makes me play looser when I'm down and tighter when I'm up.

Hope you can add just a warning because a mandatory lock down is something I'll never want/use.

Yeah ill definitely get it added, i know a lot of players have commented before that you shouldn't keep an eye on your win rate while playing, mostly for the reasons you mentioned and also that you should always aim to make the best EV decision regardless of what your up or down so your winnings are irrelevant as long as you make the correct decision every time. I could never do it but i can see where it would be quite useful and it seems like very good advice. Its one habit i know id have trouble getting used to not doing but might be worth the effort

Yes, I feel exactly the same. I'm addicted to checking my balance, and it's going to be a real hard habit to kick either way.

I did have some luck while _dave_s script was still working for me though so with a bit of effort I think it's doable

A related feature (that I don't know if is possible) would be for Tilt Demon to block HM from being viewed so that you could set it to deny you checking your balance for a set amount of time. It would still have to run of course, so I don't know if this would be possible, but it would be beneficial to those of us addicted to checking the balance

Yeah thats quite a good idea, it would require a bit of thought as your $won bb/100 is shown in alot of different tabs so youd need to block it in all those locations.

It would probably need a quite a complicated solution, it could be done alot easier from Holdem Managers end but i know there quite busy so it might not be high on their to do list at the moment. On their end it would just be a matter of editing the code the application runs to not show $ or just show $0 for x amount of time but someone else cant edit the code thats run within the application.

The first type of solution that comes to mind is for tiltdemon to manually insert a hand into your database with a bogus amount every 30-40 hands, a randon amount between 20-80bb and when the session is over it would remove the amount. So HM would continue to track properly and function properly but looking at the $won stat would be useless since we insert bogus amounts every 30-40 hands. The bogus hand history would be temporarily put under a bogus villain so it wouldnt effect your stats on a real player, something like xixixixixixxixi1923737 would be the player name.

Then when the session is over you can just click a button and purge the bogus hands and see the correct amount. It could be a manual thing or possibly put on a timer lockout if your likely to cheat and purge the hands to sneak a peak every now and then.

Thats just the 1st thought i had, maybe theres a better solution or maybe theres problems with that

Add stop-loss, time and hands alarm, please

I have very little experience programming for windows so I don't really have much of a clue, but would it be possible to just force a minimize of HM and somehow block it from being maximized again?

There's also the added problem that the table manager icon in the taskbar shows the balance when you hover over it and this cant' be turned off.

Yeah once i add the option to set an alarm/notification instead of shutting the client down youll be able to apply it to

1) $won
2) $lost
3) Hours/Mins Played
4) No of Hands Played

As these are the options already available however its just a matter of telling it to run script B which displays an alarm when the stop loss is reached instead of script A which shuts the poker client down.

Also regarding Tourney/SNG support, if i add the option to choose how long you choose before it shuts down when you hit a stop loss then based on the type of games you'll have an idea how long youll need if youve a table running when the stop loss comes into place so i should be able to put that basic tourney support into place. Then when its up and running i can adapt to the suggestions people have, id certainly be able to offer an alarm for people playing tournys pretty easy but its just a matter of finding the best solution for people that want to be forced to stop playing but taking into consideration the tables open or future tournaments registered. Ill put some more thought into it again

Yeah but that kind of option is a bit nagative as in it stops you using other features of holdem manager like the scanner for example, im pretty certain theres a setting in the holdemmanager.config file that would allow me to hide HM though but i think another solution that either changes or hides the amount displayed would a better option. And as you mentioned hovering over the icon shows the balance so a bogus amount in $ would probably work better

Sng requires more love imo

Yeah well definitely look at sng support so feel free to suggest how you would like it to work. Unlike cash you cant shut it down within a couple of mins as your likely to have several tables running. Do you just want an alarm, do you want to be allowed to specify a longer timeout period like 1hr, would you think this would be useful and do you have any other suggestions. As a cash player im not as familiar with how these types of things effect you so if you make some suggestion ill have a better idea and can come up with a working solution

any update?

Hi, Just working on some bugs and testing it across different platforms so should have a beta release in the next couple of days. The beta shouldn't have too many problems anyway, just want to double check before releasing it fully and then once the beta is working reliably well start adding the new features. I'll Make an announcement on any developments in the next couple of days here and on the forum. I'll also be releasing a video of it in action and some screenshots.

Just to announce weve added Tournament Support to the todo list thanks to a great idea by husnglearner. Basically it will track your tournaments and if you go over your stop loss limit it will check all the tournaments your playing in at that time and when they are completed it will force the client to close and lockout for whatever time you specified in settings. Should work quite well.

Since the stop/loss will only be based on the finished tournaments, i guess it would be a good idea that if you happen to make a ROI with the tournaments you had running when the lock came into place that it will overide the lockout if your winnings bring you back below the stop loss.

I might also look into putting something into place that will stop you from registering for more sngs/tournies after the lock is in place although this will require a seperate solution for each site so it might take a bit longer. If you start any more tournaments after the lockdown then it will still close down when the games that were playing when the lockdown came into place finish so it wont wait until the end of any new tournaments you register into.

morny
one step at time
let's get the cash version rolling.

Yeah priorities haven't changed

This is a rough idea of whats coming next after the Beta is released

1) Add stop loss time played (Up next)
2) Add stop loss hands played (Up next)
3) Add stop loss for amount won (Up next)
4) Add stop loss for bb/100 won and lost (Up next)
5) Add Poker Tracker Support
6) Add Poker Tracker Support for Savings Calculator
7) Add Tournament Support
8) Add an opt out Tilt Button that forces you to stop when you feel tilt creeping up
9) Add option to increase/decrease the amount of time before it locks you out
10) Add option to disable lockout and display an alarm instead, you can specify how often the alarm re-occurs, eg every minute, 10 mins, 20 mins or just once
11) Improve savings calculator to graph out your winrate and suggest a stop loss based on this and improve the retrieval speeds.
12) Option to manipulate your $won in holdem manager/poker tracker so you cant check your balance while playing.

If you want to have something added to the list just visit the suggestions forum http://www.tiltdemon.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8 and ill add it

What will keep me from changing my stop loss amount in Tilt Demon right before I actually hit it? Or from just exiting Hold em manager or Tilt Demon right before my specified stop loss?

if you are gonna do that, then nothing help you.

You can only change your stop loss it if your current loss is 25% of your total stop loss or less, if your stop loss is higher than 25% you cannot change it until the current session expires i.e 1 hour or more has elapsed since your last hand played. At that point you will have 1 hour to cool off and so its extremely unlikely you'll abuse the feature.

In the 1st Beta if your stop loss is exceeded it still wont let you play during the lockout even if HM is running. However if you were to close down HM before you reached the stop loss then it wouldnt add/delete new hands so we have plans to add an option to lock you out if HM/PT isnt running. It will be optional though in case for whatever reason you dont want to run HM and use one of the poker sites. It will also be the same for postgreSQL if that service isnt running it will lock you out which will also be optional in case you have issues with postgreSQL not working properly, personally i wouldnt play without the HUD so if HM or PostgreSQL werent running i would just wait until i fixed them before playing again but im sure plenty of people would play without them so like i said well introduce options to see if both of those are running.

If you change databases it will just add the balance from the last database so you cant fool it that way. We have procedures in place that stop you from bypassing the lockout etc by closing/uninstalling Tilt Demon. Again we need to find a middle ground between stopping you from bypassing the stop/loss and not hindering your use of the computer to allow you to do other tasks so like a child nanny monitoring service we make it as hard as possible for you to bypass but you'll never have something thats 100% because if there was a program that could do this it would be the ultimate virus.

I'm sure there are situations we haven't considered that will come up and if so well release updates to avoid that bypass in future. For me just the actual forcing me to close my tables would be enough but im sure theres alot of people will go further to try and bypass so well try and put measures into place for this.

update?
this better not turnout live pokerev lol

No don't worry im very committed to it, i had hoped it would be well into beta at this stage but weve came across some unexpected bugs and issues were working through now. We expect maybe 2-3 more days possibly sooner before its ready for Beta testing so i do apologise for the delay but shouldn't be much longer, i already have a few beta testers that contacted me via the forum and ill probably take 2-3 more, if anyone else is interested visit the forum and send me your details and ill contact you in the next 2-3 days. www.tiltdemon.com/forum

bump

Thanks for your patience http://www.tiltdemon.com/forum/showt...osted=1#post30

Lesson learned about giving deadlines without allowing time to work out bugs Hopefully it will be worth the wait

OMG, you talk like phil....lol
morny, if you still need beta tester, pm me. i'm too lazy to signup accounts.
i play 6+hr a day on ftp and ipoker multi-6-8 tables.
and i play 25 days a month.

I get same message.
Vista Home Premium (Czech)
PostgreSQL 8.4
psqlODBC 08.04.0100 (installed via Application Stack Builder)