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02-29-2008 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JPFisher55
What is interesting to me about this discussion between 2 developers developing competing products, both which I intend to try and may purchase both, is that if they were big business, then they would merge to eliminate the competition and then charge 3-4 times what they were planning to separately charge. The end product would be superior because of the cooperation and so would the profits. Of course, they would have to get by the FTC, probably by bribery. What a country the US is.
The incentives to merge, I believe, are the same whether they are big business or not. The problem with merging and raising prices is that the barriers to entry are relatively low. Additionally, the developers are from opposite sides of the planet so that makes cooperation more difficult. The other side of the coin is that the prospect of merging (or being acquired) creates a partial incentive to create the business in the first place. Its for all of those reasons, among others, that make the US system of capitalism so great IMHO (not sure if you were slamming the US or not and I respect your opinion a lot JP). In fact, I believe the US's antitrust laws are close to optimal for situations like this (ie assuming the deal would be big enough, which it wouldn't, the FTC would persumably have very little problem with a PT3/PEV merger due to the low barriers to entry and the existing competition (HEM/PokerOffice, etc.)

With all that said, my prediction is that there WILL be consolidation in this industry.
02-29-2008 , 02:11 PM
+1 for beta
02-29-2008 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blackize
Is there somewhere we can sign up for the private beta?

+2
02-29-2008 , 02:29 PM
Anyone who's PMed before will get sent a copy.

The new website isn't up yet to do opt-ins and mailing lists but it'll be up in the coming weeks.
02-29-2008 , 02:49 PM
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that make the US system of capitalism so great IMHO
Great for who?

Juk
02-29-2008 , 05:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-DcNPFWhbk

I got postgresql, and wanna test
02-29-2008 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by YoureToast
The incentives to merge, I believe, are the same whether they are big business or not. The problem with merging and raising prices is that the barriers to entry are relatively low. Additionally, the developers are from opposite sides of the planet so that makes cooperation more difficult. The other side of the coin is that the prospect of merging (or being acquired) creates a partial incentive to create the business in the first place. Its for all of those reasons, among others, that make the US system of capitalism so great IMHO (not sure if you were slamming the US or not and I respect your opinion a lot JP). In fact, I believe the US's antitrust laws are close to optimal for situations like this (ie assuming the deal would be big enough, which it wouldn't, the FTC would persumably have very little problem with a PT3/PEV merger due to the low barriers to entry and the existing competition (HEM/PokerOffice, etc.)

With all that said, my prediction is that there WILL be consolidation in this industry.
I wasn't really slamming the US, but just making a comment. However, I do not place much faith in the US anti-trust laws. The FTC enforces them haphazardly at best. Note the oil companies that were allowed to merge and the Microsoft litigation under Clinton. Under Republican administrations, the anti-trust laws are often ignored.
You are right abou the ease of entry making a merger pointless. In fact, in most industries if mergers raise profits too much then competitors will enter the market. This is what is great about capitalism. Until the government tries to regulate and run it thereby creating huge costs and barriers to entry and other distortions such as huge government contracts. Truthfully, we could repeal all the anti-trust laws and be better off. Better yet we could eliminate one-half of DC, but I'm just dreaming about the world that when I grew up. (I'm 53)
P.S. I'm looking forward to your HUD. I plan to try it as soon as PS is supported.
02-29-2008 , 09:05 PM
If testers are still being taken, im interested.
02-29-2008 , 09:09 PM
<---using postgresql but didn't mention it in the PM I sent you ages ago about testing.
03-01-2008 , 12:56 AM
To everyone hitting refresh every five minutes, it won't be tonight.

Lot of last minute stuff to do yet like packaging installers and testing installation on other operating systems. Apart from that, no more delays or changes and you have my solemn promise that there won't be.
03-01-2008 , 01:11 AM
So....tomorrow?
03-01-2008 , 01:52 AM
how ez is it going to be to transfer my pt2 db to pokerev (would i have to just point pokerev to my "processed hands folder" or will there be another way to do this ....
03-01-2008 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fishfather
support for prima would be great.
^^^
03-01-2008 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blackize
So....tomorrow?
I hope so. Sunday night at the very, very latest. If it's not available to all private testers by then I recommend you buy HM.

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Originally Posted by Jzo19
how ez is it going to be to transfer my pt2 db to pokerev (would i have to just point pokerev to my "processed hands folder" or will there be another way to do this ....
You can import from any PT2 database, access or postgres.


(The sites listed are just for my own testing - only Stars, Party and FT are supported at first beta)

Database setup is easy too...you shouldn't have any trouble converting.

03-01-2008 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 1968
support for prima would be great.
You could be waiting 2-3 weeks for tracker support. And up to 4 weeks for full HUD support.
03-01-2008 , 02:24 AM
F5
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03-01-2008 , 03:11 AM
Count me in as a tester please.
03-01-2008 , 03:49 AM
If I have hands form sites that are not supported by EV but are by PT2 will they be imported into EV if I import data from PT2 to EV?
03-01-2008 , 03:55 AM
No, only supported sites are imported, all others are ignored. As PokerEV supports more sites it'll grab those new sites from the PT2 database.
03-01-2008 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by voxx
Count me in as a tester please.
+1
03-01-2008 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by voxx
Count me in as a tester please.
+1
03-01-2008 , 07:56 AM
Wow.

Amazing product!

congratulations.

Last edited by SamIAm; 03-01-2008 at 12:01 PM.
03-01-2008 , 08:49 AM
Postgre here as well...Can't wait for this!
03-01-2008 , 11:20 AM
would love to test as I will likely be a paying customer and I play at stars exclusively
03-01-2008 , 12:14 PM
Just wanna say I really look forward to trying this software.

It looks the great so far. I especially like the omaha support, the only thing that disappoints me is that I'm going to have to wait even longer for bodog support.

Have you posted any screenshots of the hud/hud configuration yet?

p.s Any chance the hud will support bodogs 'picture in picture' display mode? It would be nice to have the stats display on whichever table you have in large mode while not displaying any stats for the mini tables. Thanks, keep up the goot work.

      
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