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Old 02-01-2020, 07:50 PM   #1176
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Nope. And I tried making an account with two different emails so I know the credential are correct.

One thought was maybe my firewall was blocking it but I turned that off to check and same thing.
Nobody here has a possible answer for me?
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Old 02-02-2020, 07:21 AM   #1177
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Hello,

I’ve bought some pre made sims, put everything on the correct files but can’t login.

I put credentials correct but it won’t open as it shows the little refresh button as it is trying to open but with no avail. The sims are 1gb or so.
What’s happening?
Thanks
I would recommend trying a subset of the sims first. If the ranges in your "ranges" folder are very large, Monkerviewer can take a long time to load them.

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Yeah, editing the MonkerSolver.l4j effects how much ram the first instance of monkersolver uses.

But to open a second monkersolver one has to copy paste the monkersolver executable to a different name and run it. I tried making a similar configuration file but it didn't work.
Have you tried simply opening the executable twice? Basically the .l4j file settings are set per instance upon launching the MonkerSolver executable, so you can change it before opening the solver each time and should have different RAM settings.

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Nobody here has a possible answer for me?
Are you able to try from a different internet connection? This could be an issue with your DNS settings as well. Trying see if you can connect using a VPN is also an option.
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Old 02-02-2020, 04:04 PM   #1178
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Have you tried simply opening the executable twice? Basically the .l4j file settings are set per instance upon launching the MonkerSolver executable, so you can change it before opening the solver each time and should have different RAM settings.
Until maybe 6 months ago running the executable twice worked. now when i run it the second time it displays the monkey like it's starting up but then never actually opens a client. (but it works the first time)
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Old 02-05-2020, 09:24 AM   #1179
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Hello, guys I'm having a weird issue with loading trees: it doesn't want to load those I made! 3Max NL trees, nothing big. I could build them, navigate them, save them etc. with no error message. But then if I try to load them nothing happens. I can load other trees that were made before just fine. Any idea what could cause this? I tried to restart Monker it didn't help.
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Old 02-07-2020, 07:59 PM   #1180
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Issaac,

Thanks for helping out us Monker N00bs, greatly appreciate it.

A few questions if you don't mind.

1. Running a semi big preflop 6max 100bb sim, I'm only at 5 I/N and it's already 250gb. Is this normal?

2. After I'm done w my preflop solve and want to use it for post-flop, do I stop the run, add post-flop nodes and continue? When I tried that the I/N started from zero and it seems like it's doing pre-flop over again. Basically I want to use my pre-flop solve to tackle post-flop situations.

3. What's the best way to study say a flop cbetting range on a certain flop? There are so many hands variations that I don't know how to even begin tackling it. I have Pokerjuice, is there a way to use PJ in conjuction w Monker to study?

I appreciate all your help and many thanks and blessings to you!
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Old 02-08-2020, 02:15 PM   #1181
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Hey,

How much ram does monker need to run 3 and 4max plo and nlhe, preflop solves?
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:17 AM   #1182
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Until maybe 6 months ago running the executable twice worked. now when i run it the second time it displays the monkey like it's starting up but then never actually opens a client. (but it works the first time)
This should still work in the current version, 10114. What I would recommend is you backup your current installation, and try to "clean install" Monkersolver to see if you can replicate the error with a new installation, before making any modifications to the folders.

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Hello, guys I'm having a weird issue with loading trees: it doesn't want to load those I made! 3Max NL trees, nothing big. I could build them, navigate them, save them etc. with no error message. But then if I try to load them nothing happens. I can load other trees that were made before just fine. Any idea what could cause this? I tried to restart Monker it didn't help.
Is your Monker executable in the same folder as your 'trees' folder?

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Issaac,

Thanks for helping out us Monker N00bs, greatly appreciate it.

A few questions if you don't mind.

1. Running a semi big preflop 6max 100bb sim, I'm only at 5 I/N and it's already 250gb. Is this normal?

2. After I'm done w my preflop solve and want to use it for post-flop, do I stop the run, add post-flop nodes and continue? When I tried that the I/N started from zero and it seems like it's doing pre-flop over again. Basically I want to use my pre-flop solve to tackle post-flop situations.

3. What's the best way to study say a flop cbetting range on a certain flop? There are so many hands variations that I don't know how to even begin tackling it. I have Pokerjuice, is there a way to use PJ in conjuction w Monker to study?

I appreciate all your help and many thanks and blessings to you!
1. Yes, this is normal. The size of your raw storage file is largely based on the amount of RAM the game tree is using to solve.

2. No, create new game trees for postflop. You will have to export the ranges from your preflop solve.

3. You may run into issues trying to export the data from Monker into Pokerjuice due to limitations of range sizes (in terms of characters). You may want to look into PLOCalc from PIO. Also try the Monkerviews feature to help break down large ranges into more simplified ones:

http://monkerware.com/views.html

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Hey,

How much ram does monker need to run 3 and 4max plo and nlhe, preflop solves?
Depends a bit on the stack depths and game trees, but generally speaking, if you wanted to cover 3-handed well, I would say up to 128 GB RAM, and for 4-handed up to 256GB RAM. If you are willing to make some trade-offs, you could do both on a 128 GB RAM machine.
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Old 02-10-2020, 06:02 PM   #1183
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Hello! I am new to monker solver, i used to solve preflop and postflop trees with other solvers, but i am a little bit lost with monker. I am not finding a lot of videos to learn, and I have some basic questions:

-After i build, for example, a NLH postflop 3 way tree: how could i know how many ram does it requires to get solved.

-Can i work building big trees in my 16gb ram laptop, and see if they fit to get solved in my 128gb PC?

-Is there a way to know when to stop a tree? (or i just have to look when strategies do not seem to change in a significative way)

-Are there some tutorial videos to learn this basic stuff?

-Also, i writed to support but didnt get an answer. How do Monker solver manage licenses in different PCs. If a PC brokes, can i recover my Monker license, and use it in a new computer.
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Old 02-11-2020, 05:08 PM   #1184
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Is your Monker executable in the same folder as your 'trees' folder?
Thanks, Isaac, I figured it out. It was the server being spooky because it hadn't been restarted in ages. :-)
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Old 02-12-2020, 02:27 PM   #1185
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is there an easy way to export all ranges from a preflop monkersolver sim into a folder and then view them in monkerviewer?
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:47 PM   #1186
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is there an easy way to export all ranges from a preflop monkersolver sim into a folder and then view them in monkerviewer?
In the solve tab, if you right click on the big right panel with the combos, there will be a "export ranges to Monkerviewer" option. It will store them automatically by game, table size, stack size.
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Old 02-12-2020, 08:32 PM   #1187
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In the solve tab, if you right click on the big right panel with the combos, there will be a "export ranges to Monkerviewer" option. It will store them automatically by game, table size, stack size.
exactly what I was looking for, tyvm!
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Old 02-14-2020, 12:00 PM   #1188
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Hello! I am new to monker solver, i used to solve preflop and postflop trees with other solvers, but i am a little bit lost with monker. I am not finding a lot of videos to learn, and I have some basic questions:

-After i build, for example, a NLH postflop 3 way tree: how could i know how many ram does it requires to get solved.

-Can i work building big trees in my 16gb ram laptop, and see if they fit to get solved in my 128gb PC?

-Is there a way to know when to stop a tree? (or i just have to look when strategies do not seem to change in a significative way)

-Are there some tutorial videos to learn this basic stuff?

-Also, i writed to support but didnt get an answer. How do Monker solver manage licenses in different PCs. If a PC brokes, can i recover my Monker license, and use it in a new computer.
Check the 'Settings' tab to see estimates for how much RAM your game tree will use.

Yes, you don't need a powerful machine to build game trees.

Monitoring strategies for convergence is a good approach to determining when a solution is solved or not.

You don't have to worry about losing your licence if your PC breaks down.
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Old 02-17-2020, 04:37 PM   #1189
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Is there a way to group the output when copying PLO csv ranges?
Example when I paste into a spreadsheet it shows all 6 combos of AAQQds instead of just saying AAQQds.
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:48 AM   #1190
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Check the 'Settings' tab to see estimates for how much RAM your game tree will use.

Yes, you don't need a powerful machine to build game trees.

Monitoring strategies for convergence is a good approach to determining when a solution is solved or not.

You don't have to worry about losing your licence if your PC breaks down.
Thanks, Isaac!
But i still cound not estimate the size of a postflop tree.
In settings i see that i can estimate RAM for preflop trees, but if i want to biuld a postflop spot, with given ranges, is there anyway to estimate RAM while building the tree?
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:13 AM   #1191
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Hi guys! i would be very happy if you help me start using monker solver.

I have a couple of questions about resolving a preflop 6 max tree:

1) once the tree has been written and runned, what values can I take
as a reference to understand if it has ended? what value is sufficient / good / excellent?

2) do I have to interact with any function while the tree is running?
such as the reset function.

Thank you guys!
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:59 AM   #1192
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Is there a way to reorganise the ranges inside a Monkerviewer tab? They did not sort themselves by stack size for some reason.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:14 AM   #1193
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Thanks, Isaac!
But i still cound not estimate the size of a postflop tree.
In settings i see that i can estimate RAM for preflop trees, but if i want to biuld a postflop spot, with given ranges, is there anyway to estimate RAM while building the tree?
When you have selected a postflop tree from the 'Tree' tab, an 'Estimate RAM' button will appear from the 'Settings' tab.



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Hi guys! i would be very happy if you help me start using monker solver.

I have a couple of questions about resolving a preflop 6 max tree:

1) once the tree has been written and runned, what values can I take
as a reference to understand if it has ended? what value is sufficient / good / excellent?

2) do I have to interact with any function while the tree is running?
such as the reset function.

Thank you guys!
1) If you want to be confident that a tree has solved sufficiently, you will need to monitor the convergence of the strategies to see if they are still changing as you are solving.

As a general guide line, you can also monitor the iterations per node (I/N). For 6-max, around 30 I/N is medium, and around 50 I/N is high.

2) The reset button should be used, assuming you are solving with average strategy and EV on, about half way through your solve. You can use it later, the longer you intend to solve for.
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Old 02-22-2020, 08:00 AM   #1194
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why when I try to load a solved tree, do I get "out of memory" when solving PLO??
also happened when I tried to solve one that was 20gb while I had 29gb free ram??

*edit*
doesn't happen with nlh
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Old 02-22-2020, 07:54 PM   #1195
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Thank you so much Isaac
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Old 02-23-2020, 02:22 AM   #1196
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When you have selected a postflop tree from the 'Tree' tab, an 'Estimate RAM' button will appear from the 'Settings' tab.





1) If you want to be confident that a tree has solved sufficiently, you will need to monitor the convergence of the strategies to see if they are still changing as you are solving.

As a general guide line, you can also monitor the iterations per node (I/N). For 6-max, around 30 I/N is medium, and around 50 I/N is high.

2) The reset button should be used, assuming you are solving with average strategy and EV on, about half way through your solve. You can use it later, the longer you intend to solve for.
Thanks again isaac, but i do not get this in postflop Holdem!
https://gyazo.com/f8ae88bdb76e53b7193745b73869c1f5

Also. Are trere any differences in treebuilding in windows an linux version of the program?
Can i build trees ussing windows version and run them in a linux server?
Or i could be missing something?
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Old 02-23-2020, 08:17 AM   #1197
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Im considering buyng monker for HU play. Can anyone tell me how long it would take(ballpark) to solver for 100bb deep with 8gb RAm and an intel i7 85500U cpu? I afraid that my pc is not good enough and I'll have to end upusing a server
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Old 02-23-2020, 08:22 AM   #1198
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Thanks again isaac, but i do not get this in postflop Holdem!
https://gyazo.com/f8ae88bdb76e53b7193745b73869c1f5

Also. Are trere any differences in treebuilding in windows an linux version of the program?
Can i build trees ussing windows version and run them in a linux server?
Or i could be missing something?
in Omaha you need to make a tree and specify board cards for the estimate ram button to be active, maybe that helps.

Also, yes you can build trees on any OS and save the .tree to use it on your server or other OS computer
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Old 02-23-2020, 08:26 AM   #1199
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Im considering buyng monker for HU play. Can anyone tell me how long it would take(ballpark) to solver for 100bb deep with 8gb RAm and an intel i7 85500U cpu? I afraid that my pc is not good enough and I'll have to end upusing a server
with 8gb ram you won’t get very far. You can run a sim but as soon as you want to use multiple sizings and or solve high SPR spots you will see it’s limitations at 100bb. especially since your system needs some ram too
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:12 AM   #1200
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I keep getting this:

whenever I try to log into monkerviewer for the first time. Am I doing something wrong (I deleted the email for the screenshot) or does the server go down a lot? The server worked to take my email and create an account but won't bring up the viewer.
I am having the same issue, did you ever find a solution?
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