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 09-04-2017, 10:33 AM #376 samooth veteran     Join Date: May 2009 Location: gutrotting Posts: 3,315 re: MonkerSolver interesting, thx for the info.
 09-07-2017, 09:36 PM #377 madtrist stranger   Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 11 re: MonkerSolver Anyone know how I can do a 3way sim post flop, like CO,BTN and SB? When I put 3 players its BTN SB and BB
 09-08-2017, 01:06 PM #378 madtrist stranger   Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 11 re: MonkerSolver I wanna do a 3-way preflop sim but I want one player to have a locked open raise range. For example BTN opens top 15% of hands. Is this possible?
 09-08-2017, 05:57 PM #379 ZenFish journeyman     Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: GTOpia Posts: 320 re: MonkerSolver Feature request: Aggregation reports and scripting 1) It would be useful to be able to see average frequencies for future cards, for example: BTN opens, SB calls, BB calls Flop: SB checks, BB checks, BTN checks Turn: SB checks, BB bets When we study this scenario it's interesting to know how often BB is supposed to bet turn (on average) in the equilibrium strategy. We can scan all turn cards and find the average bet frequency manually, but that is tedious (not to mention average river frequencies, which is impossible in practice). 2) Another useful feature would be scripting jobs. I'd like to define a set of flops and a game tree and let the program compute the equilibrium for all chosen flops with this tree, saving the files along the way, without me having to do anything. 3) Combining 1) and 2), after processing a set of flops we might like to compute average frequencies over the flop set. So for the example above, we would like to see how often BB is betting the turn on average, not only for a given flop, but averaged over the whole flop set. Adding this functionality would open the door for extremely interesting post flop analysis. TIA Last edited by ZenFish; 09-08-2017 at 06:12 PM.
09-09-2017, 10:04 AM   #380
UnexceptionalRound
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 Originally Posted by ZenFish Feature request: Aggregation reports and scripting 1) It would be useful to be able to see average frequencies for future cards, for example: BTN opens, SB calls, BB calls Flop: SB checks, BB checks, BTN checks Turn: SB checks, BB bets When we study this scenario it's interesting to know how often BB is supposed to bet turn (on average) in the equilibrium strategy. We can scan all turn cards and find the average bet frequency manually, but that is tedious (not to mention average river frequencies, which is impossible in practice). 2) Another useful feature would be scripting jobs. I'd like to define a set of flops and a game tree and let the program compute the equilibrium for all chosen flops with this tree, saving the files along the way, without me having to do anything. 3) Combining 1) and 2), after processing a set of flops we might like to compute average frequencies over the flop set. So for the example above, we would like to see how often BB is betting the turn on average, not only for a given flop, but averaged over the whole flop set. Adding this functionality would open the door for extremely interesting post flop analysis. TIA
+1 this would be fantastic!

09-09-2017, 11:12 PM   #381
restacks
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 Originally Posted by UnexceptionalRound +1 this would be fantastic!
+1 more from me

 09-12-2017, 10:01 AM #382 davo_daman centurion   Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 100 re: MonkerSolver Hi I am wanting to buy a new desktop just to run monker solver sims 24/7. I'd be using it mainly for PLO HU and 3 way spots postflop but maybe preflop in the future as well. Can anyone recommend me some minimum specs of a new desktop? Also is it just RAM that is relevant to running monker solver or aspects such as GPU, SSD, CPU are relevant as well? If anyone has the specs of a model build that they can provide that is successfully running monker please let me know. Thanks
09-12-2017, 10:16 AM   #383
davo_daman
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 Originally Posted by Hoopster81 I'd go for 128GB but I know that eats up most of your budget...
Would having 128gb ram allow you to comfotably run all sorts of PLO sims using monker?

 09-12-2017, 12:17 PM #384 de0 centurion   Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 170 re: MonkerSolver anyone know if this software is still being supported? op not seen in this thread for awhile and no updates for awhile..
 09-13-2017, 07:27 AM #385 mogg newbie   Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 30 re: MonkerSolver Hey can someone help me on this one? When I try to solve for preflop I try to keep the size of the tree somewhat small so I just enable 3/4 pot cbets and raises postflop. I enabled that option for all postflop nodes and when I checked the tree it seemed fine. When I do now solve for preflop PLO HU though I get weird stats and when I check postflop actions on flop AK5 or 765 it s a 100% check FRQZ so it only values preflop play based on equity it seems like. Does someone have an idea where I messed up?
09-13-2017, 07:46 AM   #386
gtlol
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 Originally Posted by ZenFish I was mostly interested in hearing whether there was a reason for the AUTO tree builder to insert multiple sizings pretty much everywhere. Fwiw, I have tested Monker's SB v BB equilibrium vs a benchmark Pio simulation (one geometrical bet size per street, 198 flops, 2bb/100 convergence) and found that {90 buckets, Perfect/Large/Large} and {30 buckets, Perfect/Perfect/Large} both reproduce the Pio results accurately. Frequencies same, and the shape of the ranges close to identical. In particular, the suited/offsuit polar regions in BB's 3B range are reproduced almost perfectly, which does not happen with default settings. So we can verify that Monker reproduces accurate NLHE HU ranges when we push the accuracy settings up a bit.
How many iters nodes you solved for this? When you think we should stop the calculation?

09-13-2017, 10:00 AM   #387
ZenFish
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 Originally Posted by ZenFish I was mostly interested in hearing whether there was a reason for the AUTO tree builder to insert multiple sizings pretty much everywhere. Fwiw, I have tested Monker's SB v BB equilibrium vs a benchmark Pio simulation (one geometrical bet size per street, 198 flops, 2bb/100 convergence) and found that {90 buckets, Perfect/Large/Large} and {30 buckets, Perfect/Perfect/Large} both reproduce the Pio results accurately. Frequencies same, and the shape of the ranges close to identical. In particular, the suited/offsuit polar regions in BB's 3B range are reproduced almost perfectly, which does not happen with default settings. So we can verify that Monker reproduces accurate NLHE HU ranges when we push the accuracy settings up a bit.
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 Originally Posted by gtlol How many iters nodes you solved for this? When you think we should stop the calculation?
I ran this for 50 I/N. I've explored convergence a bit, and how far you should go depends on what ranges you're interested in.

For example, if you solve CO v BTN v SB v BB, you'll see the 4-way single raised pot branch (everybody flats behind CO) converge very slowly (BB's flatting range takes forever). But the ranges for CO open, the first flatter, and 3-bets converge quickly.

That said, the 10 I/N rule of thumb is much too loose. I'd say run everything to 30 I/N if possible. If this is impractical, try to snip away the biggest single-raised pot. For the 4-handed game, we can snip BB's range for overcalling vs CO open + BTN flat + SB flat, and we are left with only 3-handed single-raised pots. This makes sense, since 4-handed play is rare. And since we can't converge this branch well anyway (unless we run with low accuracy or for a very long time) we might as well snip it. The biggest single-raised pot in the simulation is also the biggest branch in the tree, and from what I recall, this simplification will cut the tree size roughly in half.

Multiway simulations are fun to do and very fascinating if you're into poker theory. But it's a good mindset to be a little pragmatical and not get hung up in perfection. You can chase perfection in HU sims with Pio, but for multiway work in Monker, it becomes a costly habit. If it isn't useful, leave it if it's expensive to compute.

Last edited by ZenFish; 09-13-2017 at 10:10 AM.

09-17-2017, 12:20 PM   #388
Setcho
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 Originally Posted by Maroel Any plans to get this software running on a server cloud? I would buy it right now if I didn't have to spend 2k+ on a computer to run it. Also, It would be great to run it on practically any device just with an internet conection
Did anyone try this yet? I'm looking into either Digital Ocean or ASW, but I would be interested to hear if anyone tried it.

09-17-2017, 01:19 PM   #389
ZenFish
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by Maroel Any plans to get this software running on a server cloud? I would buy it right now if I didn't have to spend 2k+ on a computer to run it. Also, It would be great to run it on practically any device just with an internet conection
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Setcho Did anyone try this yet? I'm looking into either Digital Ocean or ASW, but I would be interested to hear if anyone tried it.
I've run it on AWS and OVH. Works like a charm. AWS is pricey and you'll get better value from alternatives like OVH. You don't need a monster for post flop sims, but get a server with at least 32GB RAM (for NLHE ..... I suppose more for PLO).

 09-19-2017, 01:18 PM #390 sh1ku stranger   Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 1 re: MonkerSolver Hello there. I'm testing a 3-way PLO where the btn can Call, and another one where they can't, just Pot and Fold. Without the btn being able to Call, the WR is 12.6, but when I add a Call, and retest, the WR lowers to 11.2. bb/100. Both test done with roughly same iterations/nodes, above 50+. Could you share your reasoning on this one? Thank you.
09-20-2017, 07:45 AM   #391
Setcho
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 Originally Posted by ZenFish I've run it on AWS and OVH. Works like a charm. AWS is pricey and you'll get better value from alternatives like OVH. You don't need a monster for post flop sims, but get a server with at least 32GB RAM (for NLHE ..... I suppose more for PLO).

Awesome, thanks man So the limiting factor would generally be RAM and not processing speed?

09-20-2017, 10:55 AM   #392
ZenFish
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 Originally Posted by ZenFish I've run it on AWS and OVH. Works like a charm. AWS is pricey and you'll get better value from alternatives like OVH. You don't need a monster for post flop sims, but get a server with at least 32GB RAM (for NLHE ..... I suppose more for PLO).
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Setcho Awesome, thanks man So the limiting factor would generally be RAM and not processing speed?
For pre flop work, definitely, and I think the best setup is a monthly lease where you can leave jobs crunching 24/7 for a fixed monthly cost. AWS becomes too expensive for that, OVH is perfect.

When it comes to scaling, I've run heavy sims on both AWS and OVH and I seem to max out at around 1000k iterations/second. Right now I'm running a big sim on a 28 core/56 threads OVH server and Monker runs fastest (1050k iterations/second) with 40 threads (adding more threads actually slows it down).

So I'd say a decent CPU, plenty of RAM and some patience is what you need for very big jobs. Would be interesting to hear if anyone has tried Monker on an AMD ThreadRipper. It gives an impressive benchmark for Pio.

Last edited by ZenFish; 09-20-2017 at 11:04 AM.

 09-20-2017, 01:13 PM #393 madtrist stranger   Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 11 re: MonkerSolver I have a server with Microsoft Windows Server 2016 Standard 64-bit but MonkerSolver doesnt seem to work. I have installed java etc but when i try to open MonkerSolver nothing happens. Anyone have any clue? Last edited by madtrist; 09-20-2017 at 01:34 PM.
 09-20-2017, 02:25 PM #394 madtrist stranger   Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 11 re: MonkerSolver Nvm got it to work!
 09-21-2017, 06:11 AM #395 TIMMEH enthusiast   Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 89 re: MonkerSolver Hey guys, Will buy today or tmrw a computer exclusively to do PLO (6max) calculations. Any recommendations which specs to look for, budget isnt the biggest concern, speed is however. Also any plo monkerware study groups/coaching besides JNandez? Thanks !
09-21-2017, 09:59 AM   #396
ZenFish
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 Originally Posted by TIMMEH Hey guys, Also any plo monkerware study groups/coaching besides JNandez?
It seems many people are interested in MonkerSolver, but Support isn't very active here so I've created an unofficial Skype group where we can discuss technicalities and effective use of the program:

The MonkerSolver Hangout

Everybody is welcome to join. I expect it to be a low volume affair where people can get FAQ answers and help to solve various problems. If the link doesn't work, shoot me a PM and I'll add you.

Last edited by ZenFish; 09-21-2017 at 10:06 AM.

 09-21-2017, 01:18 PM #397 gtlol enthusiast   Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 78 re: MonkerSolver Last five emails are answered in a three month period. Great support for a 500 euro software
 09-24-2017, 07:48 AM #398 Jaznin centurion   Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 134 re: MonkerSolver Is MonkerSolver able to determine the GTO RFI ranges for 6max or just the correct response for a given RFI range? If so, would anybody be willing to sell said ranges? Monkerviewer sell ranges for rake free games but that is not useful for cash game players.
 09-26-2017, 09:07 AM #399 crf88 journeyman   Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 257 re: MonkerSolver I have installed the free version of monkersolver.Every time i try to solve anything it gets stuck in running (iterations and nodes 0) .I only try holdem 2 players river so as to not need a lot of memory.I have 8 gb ram but it says 3,28 usable...I ve changed the value to xmx in the lj4.ini file to 2 4 and 8 but nothing changes.
09-26-2017, 10:47 AM   #400
IsaacAsimov
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 Originally Posted by crf88 I have installed the free version of monkersolver.Every time i try to solve anything it gets stuck in running (iterations and nodes 0) .I only try holdem 2 players river so as to not need a lot of memory.I have 8 gb ram but it says 3,28 usable...I ve changed the value to xmx in the lj4.ini file to 2 4 and 8 but nothing changes.
Try adding the following lines to your .ini file '-XX:+UseStringDeduplication', '-XX:+UseG1GC' without the quotation marks. Also make sure that you have enough free memory in Task Manager (close background programs if necessary). Also make sure you have the correct verson of Java installed (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...s-2133155.html).

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