Hi, from what I can remember, PT4 offers a very limited subset of ICMIZER 3 functionality.

You should expect to have an array of eye-opening a-ha moments
ICM model is used to estimate the EV of outcomes. That's just a small part of what ICMIZER does when it performs a calculation to produce the situational push fold table.

We perform complex Nash equilibrium calculations, offer advanced FGS model, use weighted ranges, etc. None of this is available in PT4 afair, and of course, this affects the results.

The most important thing when using ICMIZER is to have the tournament created correctly. Please refer to these beginner guides to get on track with everything as soon as possible:
Creating custom tournaments in ICMIZER 3
Basic hand history review guide in ICMIZER 3
Advanced hand history review guide - Editing ranges in ICMIZER 3

really loving the new dynamic ranges feature, a+

i'm still really confused as to how to review pko mtts. I've watched the video, but is there no way for me to simply copy and paste a HH with bounties showing? I get errors about the bounties exceeding the prize pool every time

Hey The Lipo Fund, very pleased to hear that!
A lot of work went into implementing that feature, and I really hope it is noticed.
I'll post an article we wrote about it just in case:
Dynamic hand-strength based rankings in ICMIZER 3

Sad to hear this.
We've spent a lot of time ensuring that every error message was clear.
If you see that error then most likely the problem is one on these:
1) You haven't created the tournament correctly.
2) You're not using MTT control correctly, it should have the number of players at the time of the hand history.
Some players keep that value unchanged, it should go down as the number of players in the tournament decreases.
Could you contact our support at support@icmizer.com and with screenshots of your error, your tournament and the hand history file, and we'd be glad to help!

I work across two computers. Is it possible to use the same subscription on both or is it just 1 PC activation per subscription?

Just bought Icmizer and I got a question about two hands.

https://gyazo.com/0f2343fce053a990682fa0edf08e3829

CO has 18bbs, BTN 17bbs.
So, that's HIJ shoving range, which in my opinion is tighter so we should call even tighter than 3.6%. This really surprised me since we are competing against HIJ and we are also the shortstack, so I thought we could call pretty wide here? Let's say we had like 5-6bbs instead and HIJ shoved 9-10bbs, can we call a lot more aggressive then cause there is less chance we will get better spots and just blind down?
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This is another spot I find hard. So I gave UTG a 10% range, which is tight but reasonable at the lower stakes I think with the stacksizes. I am always thinking in spots like these, if I fold here, will I really get better spots? Let's say blinds go up in 1m as well. And if I get dealt trash in the blinds, should I continue to fold and have like 200 chips and just ante myself down trying to make the money in that orbit? Somehow it feels a lot better to call with like ATo here (-1.86) then just call it off in the BB with a random hand cause I am committed. Thoughts?

Hi mement_mori,
Please refer to this article regarding this question:
https://support.icmpoker.com/en/arti...n-to-icmizer-3

Hi Gerrard4,
Thanks for choosing ICMIZER & SNG Coach.
It's normal to have questions like these after purchasing the software, after all we've got a tool that teaches players to play optimal according to complex math and if all of the advice were obvious there would be no real help or value for the user.

SNG Coach teaches you the optimal Nash equilibrium push/fold strategy.
That's the starting point of any analysis. If you believe someone is tighter than that, you can adjust their range in ICMIZER and calculate the optimal play given that read.

The article to help you with editing ranges is:
https://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/per...dvanced-guide/

Regarding first hand, you're on the bubble so there is a lot of pressure.
You really do not want to lose the hand, and the pusher is pretty tight, so your calling range is expected to be tight. Here you can see exactly how tight it is.

Fifty50 tournaments are quite unique in a way that the payouts in them are actually performed according to ICM formula as soon as 5 players remain, so calculations are very close to reality in these. You cannot really say that there are some future hands that will improve or slash your equity, which is true in other types of tournaments where it is played till the winner is known.

Regarding the second hand. A medium stack has pushed from UTG which is a clear indicator that he is strong. With 2 short stacks, he is not messing around there so you need strong hands to call.

Pushing next hand or calling a push from BB in the upcoming hand both sound not as bad as calling super-strong allin with a weak hand. On the other hand, you may be right and all of the upcoming hands are negative for you, so it may make sense to take the best negative spot you can.

This is a more advanced question and you're welcome to explore it by analyzing future hands to explore what actually happens when you choose to fold here.

Hello I am thinking of purchasing ICMIZER3. Is there any coupon code/discount code for first time purchasers?

I think (not 100% sure, though) there might be a promo on Pav’s twitch channel.

Thanks man. I was literally watching him FT the 215 on ACR where he cashed for like 11k last night and didn't even notice the ICM plugs

Below his stream he has all of the tools he used to study. There is a promo code for sharkscope, and I thought one for this software, too. GL!

Hey guys, this is ICMIZER support thread, not a marketing thread.
All public offers are usually to be found on our purchase page, some time-limited offers can be available exclusively from our partners.

Just a suggestion but would be nice if after putting in blind levels you could just write "11bb" in the stack size and the software automatically would convert it instead of manually inserting the huge numbers blinds sometimes get at. I usually just make the blinds 50-100 to make it easier, but would be nice to have both options.

Is ICMizer knockout bounty model different than the one HRC is using?
And if it is diffrent then how is it faring vs the other basic bounty models: proportional , flat , moderate and Uczniak?

Hi k0rnili0s,

I can tell you what we are using for PKO bounties.
ICMIZER uses our inhouse model TrueBounty for PKO tournaments.
It is a very complex model and it is not available anywhere else as far as I know.
I've been discussing it with some of the best PKO minds like w3c.Ray and we believe this is the best model on the market in terms of precision of stack equity estimation.
You can see how it estimates stacks by using our detailed result feature if you want to dig deeper.
You can learn the basics about it here:
https://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/pro...kout-strategy/
And the more advanced stuff can be learned in this recent video of mine:
Understanding Progressive Knockout Tournament Math & TrueBounty Model

Here are the short descriptions of models that ICMIZER uses for PKOs:

TrueBounty model — a proprietary model for bounty tournaments available only in ICMIZER. The model supports up to 100 players remaining in Bounty tournament because of its complexity which ensures superior precision compared to ultra-fast Chip EV bounty model but takes a longer time to run. TrueBounty model provides a significantly better approximation of results which can be achieved by Monte-Carlo simulation compared to the simplistic approach of Chip EV bounty model.

Chip EV Bounty model — a simplistic model that overvalues big stacks and undervalues short stacks. The formula for calculation of players bounty part of stacks equity is simple:
The model is used for situations with more than 100 players remaining because the preferable TrueBounty model is not available in these situations due to its complex formula.

Hi mement_mori,

Thanks for the suggestion but this is very unlikely to be added.
As you mention you can use this approach by using blinds 50/100 and entering 1100 stacks to represent 11BB if you need to fall back to BB stack interpretations and I am not a fan of invisible features ie ones that do not hint about their existence.

Hello im having problems with pko calculations, i watched the video in youtube channel but still.
This spot is when late reg is still open, so this would be cev pko?



How do i calculate this spot? Since i dont know the price payout yet? Thanks

i'm having trouble making sense of this result. 3 handed at a FT, stacks are 115bbs/23bbs (me)/14.5bbs. shortstack folds button and it's on me in SB with the CL in the BB. makes sense i'm under intense ICM pressure if i limp. what i can't understand is how ATo and TT are losing shoves in BB's shoes facing a limp, but 32s and 43o are winning $ev. is this a bug?

https://gyazo.com/eaf1e9b1ed9a79a7b08b0f1a38e082e8

Hi.
No this is not a bug. ICMIZER is a preflop calculator and when we are on BB vs limp you need to perform a postflop calculation for estimating EV of check.
You can learn more about it in this article:
How to Understand Check/Push Calculations?

Hi g3r4rd0x,
Use the ICM calculation mode + MTT mode & correct number of remaining players + create a PKO tournament with a payout structure that is relevant for the time of your hand.

Why is it sometimes literally six or seven seconds between me clicking on the BB's range and me being able to adjust BB's range? No calculations are being performed, all I did was ask for the matrix interface to come up so I can adjust the range.

I've noticed several other design upgrades that aren't helpful as well, to go along with some situations that are now more clicks-per-info/clicks-per-result than before, and to go along with the noticeable price increase.

This is completely in line with trends not just in the poker software industry, but in practically all software industries. So while it's disappointing, it's not surprising. Apparently we're all learning to love paying for upgrades that aren't as functional as the previous versions.

Hi VforVendetata, it sounds like you're either having a slow internet problem or something else is affecting that delay before the edit can be made. The calculation is performed now to generate a dynamic ranking before the range editor slider can be used, it was introduced earlier in the Dynamic hand-strength rankings update. Please send us an email at support@icmizer.com and we'd have a deeper look into that. If it is happening often for you it can be disabled in the options: https://support.icmpoker.com/en/arti...based-rankings

Regarding upgrades, we've significantly improved user experience of ICMIZER and the number of clicks needed is lower now. However we've introduced the right mouse button interface update, maybe you didn't notice that. In that case you might be clicking twice to edit range.
I recommend to read the guides here:
https://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/per...dvanced-guide/
If it doesn't help I'd love to learn more about this kind of behavior:
because it's my personal quest to make ICMIZER as easy to use as possible.

Regarding prices, with all the work we've done in increasing the capabilities of the product we haven't really raised prices for ICMIZER yet. This price change for ICMIZER 3 is very close to an inflation adjustment because the prices didn't change since the 2012 release of ICMIZER 1 which had a very modest feature set. Now 8 years of intense work after you're getting much more for the same buying power.

And with the amount of all the hard work that goes into creating ICMIZER, it's really a bargain for a professional player.

I´ve stopped using ICMIZER because HRC is a lot simplier to use for PKO MTT and I´ve never figured out all the results in the hands when I was analysing them. They have like +16.798... how I am going to figured this numbers? Is this the EV results? Why so many numbers with 5 figures, makes no sense to me and I couldn´t understand because if one hand is green it means you can push or call but some of them aren´t very profitable at all in the longrun and I couldn´t understand that! In HRC I have like 0.05 EV, I know 0.0 is breakeven so it´s easier!
Actually I am getting better results as a player with HRC than ICMIZER and I´ve used ICMIZER all my poker career!
I´m sorry and of course ICMIZER is very good but I couldn´t fully understand it and if I want to study something and be good at I need to fully understand it.

Hi Evil_Invader,

First of all I'd recommend to watch my video to learn why the proportional approach doesn't lead to the correct modeling of the PKO tournament, it can be found here:
https://www.icmpoker.com/en/video/un...model-icmizer/
It is not a simplistic video but it covers a complex topic so there is no way around some complexity that is present in PKO tournaments math.

Regarding EV—this is a basic question, you need to choose whether to push or to fold preflop, we have 2 decisions to choose from. So you need to calculate EV of Push and Ev of Fold first, then to subtract one from the other. If EV of Push is greater and the result is positive, it means that push is more profitable than a fold.

If you get +0.00% in ICMIZER it means that EV of Push is equal to EV of Fold so it is irrelevant which decision you choose from in terms of EV.
I am really not sure what 0.05 EV can mean, is that Ev of Push or of Fold? And if you look at a single value, how does that help you to make the decision?
I am not sure what you're referring to, our normal precision is usually 2 digits after dot but in some cases we show more.

Also, we have unique Detailed results feature that allows you to get the full break down of the calculation and to answer the question - what is this number that I am seeing for this hand.

Here is the example

Like I explained above what you see here in the square for KQs is the EV difference between EvPush and EvFold, which are broken down in detail here.

We're constantly working on making more educational materials to make ICMIZER as easy to use as possible.
We've got a great number of articles in the support center: https://support.icmpoker.com/en/
Our blog: https://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/
And the video section: https://www.icmpoker.com/en/video/

And remember: if it's green you can push it!