ICMIZER Update v2.7.7

• Fixed Chip EV calculations behavior. Now Chip EV calculations produce the same results regardless of the selected tournaments payout structure and type.
• Fixed weird min EV diff behavior in some cases related to Chip EV calculations

Hi
This may have been covered many times but this thread is huge...

I tried to run icmizer from safari on iphone7 and it requested silver light which I didn't attempt to install as I only saw pc and macOS versions

Is it possible to run icmizer on iPhone and if not are there plans for an app?

Is there a plan to implement this at a later date at the request of the customers (even if it appears to to make sense) just like you are planning with the weightings? Would it just be a case of converting the $ value to chip value and using that for the basis of the calculations? Even if this is considered as debatable, would there be an option to turn it on/off?

Thanks

I was calculating nash ranges with FGS2...

Table of 9 players, with 10bb stack, the results are the open shoving ranges:

on UTG: (19.8%) 22+,A7s+,A5s-A3s,ATo+,K8s+,KJo+,Q8s+,QJo,J8s+,T8s+,98s

on UTG+1: (24.6%) 22+,A2s+,ATo+,K5s+,KTo+,Q8s+,QTo+,J8s+,JTo,T8s+,97 s+,87s

on MP1: (19.3%) 33+,A4s+,A9o+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,QJo,J9s+,T8s+,98s

Why the UTG+1 has a wider range than MP1? I know it's not because of FGS, otherwise UTG would have a wider range than UTG+1. With stacks where FGS are not relevant, shouldn't the ranges be more loose from later positions than in earlier positions?

Hi. Some important information is missing in your description, that is tournament type and exactly how you got these ranges (which buttons were pressed and in what order). I cannot get these results so I cannot comment on your specific example.

But a more general comment is: FGS is always relevant to some extent at least. In 10 BB deep situations, it affects ranges in a noticeable way. You should change FGS depth between 0, 1 and 2 to see how the Nash ranges change. There are interesting interdependencies and its not always easy to predict how the certain FGS depth parameter will affect ranges.

With 20bb deep stacks, the FGS setting will have a smaller impact on the ranges.

Hi. Currently, ICMIZER only works on PC and MacOS desktops and notebooks.

We are completing the work on the mobile edition of ICMIZER SNG Coach which will be available on smartphones, for example, iPhone and android devices.
It should be available very soon, hopefully, the early access will begin within a month.

Hi. The Chip EV mode will produce results in chips, its behavior won't be changed.

If you want to play around with some other ways to review PKO tournaments you can create a custom PKO tournament with say 100% payment for the first place and get some results which can be considered useful for the earlier stage of progressive knockout tournaments.

FGS2, 9 handed table, everybody with 10bbs stacks.
Why is the MP1 range wider than UTG+1, if UTG is tighter than UTG+1?

Hi. 9 handed table but what are the payouts in the tournament?

ChipEV(Winner takes it all)

Which browsers support icmizer 2? I hate internet exploer fwiw.

Any other browsers that support it? I really like iron but it doesnt support it

Hello, i have few questions concerning how ICMized calculates the results. Attach some photos to illustrate. I've read about this new feauture FGS model in comparison to ICM, but i'm not sure if it works correct. First of all, does it look only one step ahead, i mean it calculates results only 1 step ahead if all players play according to Nash this one future hand? It seems this way according to what i see. I play 6max hyper turbos, payouts 65%-35%, and 3-max it's a bubble. So,
1st picture you see Button (big stack) pushes according to Nash 48%, we as a small blind should call only 6,6%, and it thinks that BB (average stack) would call 40%.But it's clearly not the case, BB would never call this wide. I understand that the equity of BB stack is lower since he is on BB. But still he would never call this wide, since he calculates that blinds eat SB sooner then him.
2nd picture, the same but Button pushes not according to Nash, but 100% (quite a reasonable strategy) and the same we, as a short stack should call only 12%? And BB would call 40%?
3rd picture, one from ICMizer SNG coach. Pusher range 76%, we (SB, short stack who is eaten by blind next circle of hands) call only 6,2%?
So, the question in general why our range is so tight on SB, when we are short stack and clearly facing very wide shoving range? What are we waiting for, if we are eaten by blinds next circle? Doesnt make much sense. It makes a bit some sense if this FGS feauture looks only one step ahead, then we are on the button next hand and dont post blinds. Thanks for your help, looking forward to your reply.
Pictures 1,2,3: http://dropmefiles.com/W8nDj

Hi.?
So my question is how to best use icmizer2 to enable you to analyse hands from pokerstars 4max 2x hyper turbo satellites. As this type of game has essentially one winner at the first table ( who goes through to play the winner from 3 other tables ) should I create a new custom tournament type with first place taking 100% in order to analyse hands from the first table? And then a separate custom tournament type with first place taking 50% and second 50% ?

My second question is related to SNG coach. Again in regards to improving my game in the 4max 2x hyper turbos. By selecting 4 max in the "Pokertsars Satellite 6-max hyper" quiz type am i essentially getting answers/results which would correlate to the final 4man table in these 4max hyper turbos?

Thank you

Any updates on the PKO videos Q?

Hi. Currently, on Windows, only Internet Explorer and Firefox support it.

However you can also download it (small download button in the upper right corner) and launch it without any browser.

Hi
FGS can look as many as 6 hands ahead.
The number of steps can be in FGSN number, so FGS1 looks 1 hand ahead, FGS2 looks 2, etc.
I've created an article explaining FGS depth recently and I strongly recommend it to everyone, who wishes to understand FGS more:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/icmi...y-fgs-support/

It will be very valuable for your game.
So the key takeaways from it are that for 3 handed play I recommend FGS2 or FGS5, but really both, and to compare the results and think about them.

In your question you are right, SB is "waiting" because with FGS1 he doesn't realize that in 2 hands he is posting blinds. FGS2 solves that.

In SNG Coach currently, only FGS1 is supported. We plan to add support for more depth in the nearest 7-10 days, so it will be automatically choosing optimal FGS depth values instead of just FGS with 1 depth.

I am attaching ranges with FGS2: http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/ZpXlOH/
And FGS5 in this spot: http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/ZyXVRv/

Hope it helps.

Hi. I believe the videos should become available soon, within 7-10 days.
I already have an article here: http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/prog...kout-strategy/

Hi
1) First tournament or first table can be analyzed using Chip EV mode or you can create a custom 100% first prize tournament

2) Here if you choose 4 max but select PokerStars Satellite 6-max hyper you will be closely matching your tournament which has the same payout structure. It won't be precisely the same though, the differences will be in the actual sum of chips, blind size, and relative ante-to-bigblind-size ratio. But the advice from SNG Coach will be close to your game if you adjust the stack depth accordingly.

Thanks for the article . Just a quick question about using FGS.
3 handed in a $5 pko 90man sng. Villan pushes 50% . Without using FGS we have a calling range of 53%. When using FGS2 our calling range drops to 27%. Can you explain why there is such a big change in calling ranges when using fgs2?

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/cFkuQA/

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/cOleTo/

Hi balls'n'all

Big thanks for this example. We were looking for the potential bug in PKO since the launch of this feature, but apparently, the bug was affecting some branches of FGS calculations and leading to incorrect results in FGS mode with PKOs.

We've fixed this bug today and you should get more intuitive results.

Great, thanks.

http://icmpoker.com/screenshot/IhGEAA/

hey icmizer,

i am using the sng coach for quite a while already. but why do i get - top% and -place when i get all the answer correct? as in the link i provided on the top.

Cheers!!!

Good evening ICMIZER2,

I'm curious about how the jamming ranges in $EV are working.

I give you an example:



Here you can see T3o should be a fold and 63s is a push.

Intuitive I was thinking that 63s have an equity edge against the BB calling range.

But that seems not the case, because T3o has 0,4% more than 63s against the BB calling range.




I would also consider that T3o blocks more hands in BB calling range aswell.

So can you explain me why ICMIZER thinks 63s is more a push than T3o in this scenario?

Thank you in advance.

Hi. Great job with high scores!

I guess these are some rounding issues when a lot of people have very high scores very close to maximum so it behaves weirdly in these cases, note that your Rating is very close to 100 since the bar is fully violet.

This only affects the most simplistic heads up questions since they are so easy, 3+ way it should all be good since its very hard to reach 100.

Hi

In the Options tab I can change hand ranking tables. Is this for ICMIZER, SNG Coach or both?

Which hand ranges does the SNG Coach use? The call ranges seem as wide as hippos' yawns.

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