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09-20-2015 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jussblaze420
Rating, ranking and place for SNG Coach...

Does every rating have their own ranking?
For example, If your rating is 50 and ranking is top 7%, does that mean every other rating besides 50 have their own top 7%? In other words, do ratings of 1-49 and 51-100 all have their own rankings from 100-1%?
Hi. No. To get rankings the ratings are gathered, ordered, and then we get ranking.

So each rating has its own one related ranking top% value at any moment of time.
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09-20-2015 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by saycheese
Hi, quick question.

Is it generally better to keep FGS on or off during calculations? I know what it stands for, but I am wondering whether it is worth it in practical use.

I play 6max hypers and MTTs
I am not sure how to answer this. Some players keep it, some players tick and untick it. Generally it can't be too bad, but right now we are getting many requests to add ability for non-FGS calculation in SNG coach.

This means that many players disagree with idea of always using FGS.
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09-20-2015 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iamreallycrap
Hello, I am using ICMIZER2.
When using the "ICMIZER" tab, i paste a hand from clipboard.

For example, a bubble hand in a 6max sng. (FGS ON)

After I paste the hand and set the action, i click "Calculate FGS" and for example(real example) and it gives me 100% range.

Then i click "Calulate FGS Nash Equilibrium" and it changes my range to 35%.

Then i click "Calculate FGS" and my range changes to 41%.

Why does this happen?

If im going through a list of hands and quickly trying to find hands where i made mistakes which way buttons should i chose? I understand that ideally i would enter in all villains ranges, but if i just wanted a quick estimate which is best?

Thanks.
Hi. Generally, after you paste the hand, I recommend you to first click Calculate FGS Nash, then click Calculate FGS.

Click on Calculate FGS without assigning ranges first doesn't have any guarantees on the result.
As for the last change, from 35 to 41, please refer to this article where I explain this jump in detail:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/
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09-20-2015 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MagicTrick28
Hi, i want to buy a subscription to ICMZER2 but when i go to purchase it redirects me to this link with a blank page.

https://sites.fastspring.com/pokeric...new&member=new

Help pls.
Hi.
The link isn't blank. Maybe your country isn't supported by FastSpring, I am not sure what could be wrong.
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09-20-2015 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. No. To get rankings the ratings are gathered, ordered, and then we get ranking.

So each rating has its own one related ranking top% value at any moment of time.
OK, thanks.
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09-21-2015 , 02:34 AM
Hi,
with the old program it used to auto detect what game type I was playing, but it no longer does this. Can this be brought back?
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09-21-2015 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by myboytoby
Hi,
with the old program it used to auto detect what game type I was playing, but it no longer does this. Can this be brought back?
Hi. We've had a lot of issues with auto-detect when it detected tournaments wrong, and it was a big pain for a lot of our clients. So this is removed for now.

Generally most players review the same type of hands or if they review multiple hands they change tournament type quite rarely. We've improved the tournament selection and added a big number of popular tournaments in ICMIZER to help the review process of different tournaments.

Could you describe how auto detect helped you? We may bring this back in the future, but it will have to be very well thought feature, the old approach was too error prone and very annoying when it detected hands wrong and changed the payout without request.
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09-21-2015 , 06:26 AM
Hi Q,

Is it possible to have the price pool auto-switch to last saved settings when one changes the tournament format?

So for example when i review a 18 man 9-max turbo i set the price-pool to 250$, then as I review a 15$ 45 man I set it to 620.10$. Now switching back to the 18 man it will say: 250$ since that is the last saved price-pool of that format.

Greatly appreciated,

Dutchsmoke
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09-21-2015 , 09:23 AM
If I wanted to create new tournament for $7.50 Sunday warm up satellites what do I need to put it for the payout strucuture?

413 enterants and 16 get entry and 17th gets $38.



Thanks for your help.
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09-21-2015 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by blank0909
If I wanted to create new tournament for $7.50
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Sunday warm up satellites
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413 enterants and 16 get entry and 17th gets $38.
Asuming this is a freezout tourney your math is wrong here bud, the Warm Up is a $215 tourney and 16 places get paid with a $215 T$ and the 17th place gets $38 that would asume a prize pool of $3,478 and even if we take the whole $7.50 (part of that buy should be the sites rake) times the 413 entrances that gives us a $3,097.50, $380.50 short.


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satellites what do I need to put it for the payout strucuture?
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...16 get entry and 17th gets $38.
When setting up new payout structures (even for satelites) the buy in and number of entrances are irrelevant, just take into account the number of places paid, in your case, 16 places get $215 and 17th gets $38, like this...


Last edited by onlinepokerwiz; 09-21-2015 at 11:19 AM.
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09-21-2015 , 10:29 PM
I appreciate your kind explanation.

Thanks a lot.
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09-22-2015 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. We've had a lot of issues with auto-detect when it detected tournaments wrong, and it was a big pain for a lot of our clients. So this is removed for now.

Generally most players review the same type of hands or if they review multiple hands they change tournament type quite rarely. We've improved the tournament selection and added a big number of popular tournaments in ICMIZER to help the review process of different tournaments.

Could you describe how auto detect helped you? We may bring this back in the future, but it will have to be very well thought feature, the old approach was too error prone and very annoying when it detected hands wrong and changed the payout without request.

Hi,
I play SNGs and MTTs so I am switching between Cev and EV% and game type constantly as I mark hands in game to review after so the order is random. I really liked the old version when it would get the game type for me.
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09-22-2015 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hi. No. To get rankings the ratings are gathered, ordered, and then we get ranking.

So each rating has its own one related ranking top% value at any moment of time.
Sorry, I still don't get it. A few simple Question to clarify:

If I am ranked top x % and place y in a specific category (9-max short for example), does that mean my push/fold decisions - accounting for difficulty - are among the best x % of all the users who did that quiz category before?

Rating is the only source for determining my ranking? So if the playerpool consisted of 4 ppl and they had the respective ratings of 4,3,2 and 1, would they see their ranking as 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%?

Could a higher ranking not just result from answering more questions than the lower placed guys when they actually get a higher percentage - say 80% vs. 75%- right?
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09-23-2015 , 12:58 PM
Hi,

Icmizer1 was able to autodetect the type of sng i was loading, now i have to see what type of sng i'm loading and then select it from the menu.

When i press 18 man for example, nothing happens and i have to click near the menu to start analyzing. Can you make like a favorites tab or something, it's kinda annoying to search to all the types of sng.

Also if i load a hand and click calculate fgs and then nash it messes up the blind level, from 500/1000 to 10/20 for example.

The only positive thing in Icmizer2 is the copy paste option. It would be nice if you could fix these issues otherwise it doesn't feel like an upgrade to me after i renewed my license in July and i'm forced to use a somewhat different program that is more complicated.

Thank you!
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09-23-2015 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by h^8
Hi,

Icmizer1 was able to autodetect the type of sng i was loading, now i have to see what type of sng i'm loading and then select it from the menu.

When i press 18 man for example, nothing happens and i have to click near the menu to start analyzing. Can you make like a favorites tab or something, it's kinda annoying to search to all the types of sng.

Also if i load a hand and click calculate fgs and then nash it messes up the blind level, from 500/1000 to 10/20 for example.

The only positive thing in Icmizer2 is the copy paste option. It would be nice if you could fix these issues otherwise it doesn't feel like an upgrade to me after i renewed my license in July and i'm forced to use a somewhat different program that is more complicated.

Thank you!
Hi h^8.
As I wrote earlier, we've removed auto-detection of tournaments because it often made bad mistakes and caused a lot more pain to customers who didn't want ICMIZER 1 to change the payout, but it did. We may add revised auto-detection in the future since I understand that its a nice feature, but in its old form a lot more customers were hating this feature than enjoying it, unlike you.

We will be improving the tournament selector, and something like favorites is very likely to be added soon.

As for blinds dropping down, could you send me a detailed bug report to support@icmpoker.com with the hand we could use to reproduce the problem? It's the first time I hear something like this, I've just tried to reproduce it but it worked as expected.

The biggest change to ICMIZER 2 update for ICMIZER is the added table which was highly requested. Does it not feel like an improvement?
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09-24-2015 , 02:43 AM
Hello Q,

The favorites tab would be much appreciated, i usually analyze only 2 formats and i think most players have only a few that they use on a constantly basis.

I will send a bug report the next time it appears, it happend more than one time.

The table is nice, maybe i'm just used to Icmizer1
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09-24-2015 , 05:49 PM
If I purchase icmizer 2 will I have to pay for sng coach questions? Also will there be an option to customize the sng coach tournament type? For example, I want to practice push/fold in a 20% ante, 6max, chip ev scenario.
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09-24-2015 , 07:37 PM


I loaded a tournament from my HH into Replayer. I have no idea going through hands where I'm at in the tourney or how many ppl are left. I guess it doesn't load the info of the actual tournament itself?
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09-24-2015 , 07:49 PM
Hey just a question about sng coach - which looks really cool btw.
Is there a way for the questions to contain villians ranges before you answer?
I only see villains range after I answer atm
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09-25-2015 , 09:58 AM
Hi,

Sng coach in regular speed sng are displaying situations that never happened and will never happen in this tournments. 5 and 6 stack with 2 or 3 BB? Lol Camon... Not even in final tables! This situations will never happen in a regular basis and what i want to practice is my push fold in these situations, common spots %ev and icm!
For me for exemple its worthless the usage of this type of scenarios in this tool, are you aware of this? I don't think this is usefull for persons that has difficulties in these tournments cause the ranges differ a lot from turbos.
Thanks.
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09-26-2015 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by olioliolion
If I purchase icmizer 2 will I have to pay for sng coach questions? Also will there be an option to customize the sng coach tournament type? For example, I want to practice push/fold in a 20% ante, 6max, chip ev scenario.
Hi.
ICMIZER 2 PRO subscription comes with 120 questions to answer per day.
We have some statistics now, a very small % of active customers actually reach this daily limit. If you reach the limit, only then you can buy the questions package, if you can't wait till the daily limit is reset.
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09-26-2015 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PrbNt


I loaded a tournament from my HH into Replayer. I have no idea going through hands where I'm at in the tourney or how many ppl are left. I guess it doesn't load the info of the actual tournament itself?
Hi. This information is not available from the hand history files afaik.
So ICMIZER cannot guess it. You can provide it manually.

http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/mtt-icm-calculator/
we have this article, it uses the ICMIZER 1, but for the most part in this feature the visual looks had been tweaked, but the internals remain the same, so all the information in that article is relevant for ICMIZER 2 too.
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09-26-2015 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Colin252
Hey just a question about sng coach - which looks really cool btw.
Is there a way for the questions to contain villians ranges before you answer?
I only see villains range after I answer atm
Hi, no currently there is no way, just as at the poker table. You know that opponent is pushing according to Nash.
Generally Call spots are much more difficult than the push spots: first you need to solve push range for your opponent, and then figure out the correct response range. It's almost 2x more difficult.
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09-26-2015 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Invader
Hi,

Sng coach in regular speed sng are displaying situations that never happened and will never happen in this tournments. 5 and 6 stack with 2 or 3 BB? Lol Camon... Not even in final tables! This situations will never happen in a regular basis and what i want to practice is my push fold in these situations, common spots %ev and icm!
For me for exemple its worthless the usage of this type of scenarios in this tool, are you aware of this? I don't think this is usefull for persons that has difficulties in these tournments cause the ranges differ a lot from turbos.
Thanks.
Hi. We have spent a lot of time creating effective SNG Coach spot generation algorithm, there were a lot of steps in this process before it reached its current state. We are very happy with its current characteristics, it's far better than anything available on the market.

With that said, it's still not perfect, and there are some spots that may be less realistic than the other.

If you have specific examples and are willing to give us some detailed feedback I'd be glad to hear your suggestions if you send them to support@icmpoker.com Give some examples of unrealistic hands, and some examples of hands that you would expect instead.

2 or 3 BB stacks do happen in 5-6 way spots, the question usually is how frequently. If someone wins an all-in the other player often is left with super short stack.
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09-26-2015 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by laterxd
Sorry, I still don't get it. A few simple Question to clarify:

If I am ranked top x % and place y in a specific category (9-max short for example), does that mean my push/fold decisions - accounting for difficulty - are among the best x % of all the users who did that quiz category before?

Rating is the only source for determining my ranking? So if the playerpool consisted of 4 ppl and they had the respective ratings of 4,3,2 and 1, would they see their ranking as 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%?

Could a higher ranking not just result from answering more questions than the lower placed guys when they actually get a higher percentage - say 80% vs. 75%- right?
Hi, yes. I believe you understand it perfectly. Your 4 players examples is exactly how it works.
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